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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #36
Apparently Stoke City lost 91 million
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #37
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The club has no further significant stake, think it may be a small %development fee
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Thanks for clarifying.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #38
Evo1883 said:
Since those accounts . We will be bringing in more than 12 plus million in solidarity and TV when you include the upcoming season .. something league 1 never afforded us at all .

Lose 3.5 million , gained 6/7 million plus .

Sadly the pandemic happened in between all this .

If we never got promoted then yes it's a big problem
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The solidarity gives you about £6 million benefit versus league 1 - I don’t see last year generating £4m transfer surplus either
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #39
Evo1883 said:
Apparently Stoke City lost 91 million
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Other clubs are largely irrelevant as we have no assets
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #40
The loss seems to be explained pretty straightforward to be honest .

2.2 million administrative costs for the move to St Andrews (huge favour thanks )
And 1.1 Mill lost revenue for the season and pandemic costs

Moving back to the ricoh is so important
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #41
Grendel said:
Other clubs are largely irrelevant as we have no assets
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We do have more than 3 mill worth of playing assets .

88-91 Mill reported with no more parachute payments , imagine how bad it is for this season for Stoke
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #42
Evo1883 said:
Apparently Stoke City lost 91 million
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No doubt will sell their stadium to themselves as is seemingly accepted common practice now.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #43
Evo1883 said:
The loss seems to be explained pretty straightforward to be honest .

2.2 million administrative costs for the move to St Andrews (huge favour thanks )
And 1.1 Mill lost revenue for the season and pandemic costs

Moving back to the ricoh is so important
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What pandemic costs? We recovered £300k on furlough

We lost revenue by being there and critically we gambled on being able to sell £4 m of our assets. This must be the only place you get praise for frantically selling assets to try and lose only £3 million
 

Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #44
I could see fans being worried about these accounts had we not been promoted , but we were
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #45
Grendel said:
Other clubs are largely irrelevant as we have no assets
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They aren’t really as the league in general is fucked
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #46
Grendel said:
What pandemic costs? We recovered £300k on furlough

We lost revenue by being there and critically we gambled on being able to sell £4 m of our assets. This must be the only place you get praise for frantically selling assets to try and lose only £3 million
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Just going off the clubs article
 

Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #47
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They aren’t really as the league in general is fucked
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No club can sustain 90 mill losses In this league without promotion to the prem . Stoke will end up like Sheffield Wednesday
 

Grendel

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #48
Evo1883 said:
We do have more than 3 mill worth of playing assets .

88-91 Mill reported with no more parachute payments , imagine how bad it is for this season for Stoke
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fixed Assets - stole Are owned by Bet 365 aren’t they?
 
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Lord_Nampil

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #49
Evo1883 said:
The loss seems to be explained pretty straightforward to be honest .

2.2 million administrative costs for the move to St Andrews (huge favour thanks )
And 1.1 Mill lost revenue for the season and pandemic costs

Moving back to the ricoh is so important
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If we had played the last 5 home games would be interesting to see how much of that 1.1 million was eaten into…..
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #50
Lord_Nampil said:
If we had played the last 5 home games would be interesting to see how much of that 1.1 million was eaten into…..
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I think we would have lost money anyway as the move to St Andrews starved us of atleast 6/7 k tickets a week Irrespective especially considering league position
 
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Grendel

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #51
Lord_Nampil said:
If we had played the last 5 home games would be interesting to see how much of that 1.1 million was eaten into…..
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We’d clearly had more if we were at the Ricoh having a successful season COVID or not
 

Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #52
Club moves to a ground share and loses money ... why are we actually shocked I'm not sure .

The alternative was worse , no season to play
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #53
What was the st Andrews rent then ?

Ridiculous I'm assuming
 

Grendel

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #54
Evo1883 said:
What was the st Andrews rent then ?

Ridiculous I'm assuming
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£800k I’d assume
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #55
Accounts very worrying. If we hadn't have been promoted that season I'm sure there would have been a going concern issue by now.
 

Winny the Bish

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #56
Grendel said:
£800k I’d assume
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£800k more than whatever we were paying to rent the Ricoh
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #57
The owners could just be like normal owners and pay the 3.5 million and write it off .

Oh wait that's clubs like Brentford not us
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 31, 2021
  • #58
Ccfcisparks said:
Accounts very worrying. If we hadn't have been promoted that season I'm sure there would have been a going concern issue by now.
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There has been a going concern for as long as I can remember in the accounts.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #59
Evo1883 said:
The owners could just be like normal owners and pay the 3.5 million and write it off .

Oh wait that's clubs like Brentford not us
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Yes their owner has put in over £100m, yet some fans think we can emulate them.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #60
Nick said:
There has been a going concern for as long as I can remember in the accounts.
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Was that more to do with playing in league 1 and 2 though in recent years .

We get some relief by being a championship side ofcourse in a normal season
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 31, 2021
  • #61
Evo1883 said:
Was that more to do with playing in league 1 and 2 though in recent years .

We get some relief by being a championship side ofcourse in a normal season
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More to do with the accounts / club being fucked and relying on debts not being called it.

The league is irrelevant.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #62
Nick said:
More to do with the accounts / club being fucked and relying on debts not being called it.

The league is irrelevant.
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Debts to the owners ?
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #63
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yes their owner has put in over £100m, yet some fans think we can emulate them.
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Not entirely no but most can look to emulate their recruitment model. They've made c.£95m+ profit on transfers in just 5 years.
Much, much more difficult now though.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #64
Evo1883 said:
Debts to the owners ?
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Yes around £16 million and growing I’d assume
 

stupot07

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #65
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The club has no further significant stake, think it may be a small %development fee
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We should get whatever % of sell on, that Norwich get for their sell on. It will be something like 15% of 15%.

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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #66
Grendel said:
What pandemic costs? We recovered £300k on furlough

We lost revenue by being there and critically we gambled on being able to sell £4 m of our assets. This must be the only place you get praise for frantically selling assets to try and lose only £3 million
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You're forgetting it was Wasps that refused to give us a deal. We didn't gamble on selling players to make a choice to go to St Andrews.

The accounts are dire though.

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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #67
stupot07 said:
You're forgetting it was Wasps that refused to give us a deal. We didn't gamble on selling players to make a choice to go to St Andrews.

The accounts are dire though.

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That’s partly conjecture
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #68
Frostie said:
Not entirely no but most can look to emulate their recruitment model. They've made c.£95m+ profit on transfers in just 5 years.
Much, much more difficult now though.
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Yeah but the difference is Brentford are under little pressure to sell as they have an owner propping them up. The model falls down if you can’t sell the player for an inflated price.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 31, 2021
  • #69
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yeah but the difference is Brentford are under little pressure to sell as they have an owner propping them up. The model falls down if you can’t sell the player for an inflated price.
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This is the problem. The “model” doesn’t exist. We are only surviving as we raise money on sales every year and without that we are finished
 

Winny the Bish

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #70
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yeah but the difference is Brentford are under little pressure to sell as they have an owner propping them up. The model falls down if you can’t sell the player for an inflated price.
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They also have the capital to pay £5m to get some of these players in the first place. And the shared scouting infrastructure of FC Midtjylland - a club that play in Europe every season.
 
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