12 year old raped in nuneaton (25 Viewers)

[Nick]

Have you got any evidence any of this is much worse than other countries? I’d support ID cards for example. What are the stats on percentage claiming vs what they’d get say in the major EU countries?

Here’s what ChatGPT gave me when I asked:

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Think about yourself, if you’re moving somewhere surely family links and ability to speak the language. Also if you’re claiming asylum family links and ability to integrate work in your favour.

Pretty sure another thread you were laughing at ai generated responses for an argument?

So the only benefit of here over France is the language? So if that's the case why do so many seem to need translators?

It's amazing that people are so picky when they are fleeing for their lives

 

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[Grendel]

I'm happy to talk with people who genuinely believe what they say. You've played the contrarian on here for years, it's mind numbingly tedious.

I've said countless times in the thread and others what I want to happen, it isn't for these hotels to continue being used as holding pens. People on this thread have openly cited Winston Churchill as an example of a good leader on this issue, then go quiet when it's pointed out that he stood for the principle that refugees can't be denied on the basis of how they entered the country, among other issues.

It is possible to argue for that principle to be upheld while also wanting the backlog to be cleared, the hotels to be returned to communities and for people to stop trying to cross the Channel in small boats. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Hotels aren’t changing for the foreseeable

We have two Afghans who have kidnapped and raped a child.

What would you do with them?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hotels aren’t changing for the foreseeable

We have two Afghans who have kidnapped and raped a child.

What would you do with them?

If they're asylum seekers, the claims should be refused and they should be deported.

 

[Grendel]

If they're asylum seekers, the claims should be refused and they should be deported.

They can’t be

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They can’t be

Why not?

 

[CCFCSteve]

The Rwanda scheme would have doubled the cost of processing and still may not have been able to process the numbers we get in. I think a max capacity of 20k was talked about. And it was starting in the hundreds.

When you talk about returning boats to France you’re talking about what exactly? Using the Royal Navy to enter French waters without permission?

Is that purely processing cost or housing, benefits whilst waiting for appeals to be heard (currently 54 weeks) ? It’s as much to act as deterrent and as mentioned we had incurred a significant initial outlay already. That max capacity would probably cover a majority of single males waiting on appeals

I’d expect France to try to stop more leaving the shore, any picked up in the waters to be returned to France. As I say no chance it will happen though. As I say, if they did it would probably act as the biggest deterrent to economic migrants and may also mean less would end up in France as a consequence

 

[shmmeee]

Is that purely processing cost or housing, benefits whilst waiting for appeals to be heard (currently 54 weeks) ? It’s as much to act as deterrent and as mentioned we had incurred a significant initial outlay already. That max capacity would probably cover a majority of single males waiting on appeals

I’d expect France to try to stop more leaving the shore, any picked up in the waters to be returned to France. As I say no chance it will happen though

Purely processing according to the impact assessment.

I’m just not sure anything short of 100% is that much of a deterrent. 20 miles of water isn’t.

Looking around there’s basically three models for countries that don’t want asylum seekers:

- Literally march them back across the border, which generally needs the agreement of the people on the other side

- Imprison them all indefinitely at god knows what cost

- In some cases quite literally drop them in the ocean

Every country on earth that isn’t at war has an asylum seeker problem right now. Leaving the EU removed a bunch of useful treaties at a time no one is up for making new ones.

 

[SBT]

Yeah I'm sure it's just because of the language.

It's because of the hand outs and how easy it is. Straight from the beach to a hotel, money, clothes etc. they can then get work on the black market cash in hand if they want it alongside the hotel, meals, pocket money, phone etc.

Fuck all to do with us speaking English.

Supposedly there is research that shows the benefits on offer aren’t a factor, although the English language and the impression that “the UK is a good place to live” are factors

Asylum seekers: Why do they come to the UK?

 

[shmmeee]

Pretty sure another thread you were laughing at ai generated responses for an argument?

So the only benefit of here over France is the language? So if that's the case why do so many seem to need translators?

It's amazing that people are so picky when they are fleeing for their lives

I wasn’t making an argument. I was saying here’s the limited stuff I had what do you have that’s better?

Ive not said the only benefit is language. You said that. I gave three major benefits.

If your house burned down would you ask your neighbour to put you up or your family?

 

[Grendel]

Why not?

it’s almost impossible to deport Afghan asylum seekers. I think a handful have been but the general principal is their lives are compromised if they go back - which is the only reason they are here as they need asylum

 

[CovInEssex]

Leave the ECHR, accept asylum claims at overseas British embassies, any one found to enter the country illegally is automatically rejected for asylum on the basis they have broken the law by entering the country illegally. That's dingy smuggling gangs out of business overnight.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

it’s almost impossible to deport Afghan asylum seekers. I think a handful have been but the general principal is their lives are compromised if they go back - which is the only reason they are here as they need asylum

Not what the judge in this similar case seemed to think.

Man who raped girl, 15, on Falkirk street jailed for nine years

Sadeq Nikzad, 29, targeted the girl in Falkirk town centre in October 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Leave the ECHR, accept asylum claims at overseas British embassies, any one found to enter the country illegally is automatically rejected for asylum on the basis they have broken the law by entering the country illegally. That's dingy smuggling gangs out of business overnight.

You disagree with Churchill then?

 

[CovInEssex]

If your house burned down would you ask your neighbour to put you up or your family?

Well I wouldn't walk 3 towns over and ask someone there

 

[CCFCSteve]

Purely processing according to the impact assessment.

I’m just not sure anything short of 100% is that much of a deterrent. 20 miles of water isn’t.

Looking around there’s basically three models for countries that don’t want asylum seekers:

- Literally march them back across the border, which generally needs the agreement of the people on the other side

- Imprison them all indefinitely at god knows what cost

- In some cases quite literally drop them in the ocean

Every country on earth that isn’t at war has an asylum seeker problem right now. Leaving the EU removed a bunch of useful treaties at a time no one is up for making new ones.

The EU things a myth. Check the returns under Dublin agreement, very few accepted returns (some years we were also net recipients)

Agree about the challenges though and it ain’t gonna get any easier.

 

[CovInEssex]

You disagree with Churchill then?

Yes!? It's a completely different world now

 

[Grendel]

Not what the judge in this similar case seemed to think.

Man who raped girl, 15, on Falkirk street jailed for nine years

Sadeq Nikzad, 29, targeted the girl in Falkirk town centre in October 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

He’s still here isn’t he? It said he entered the country illegally? You said that’s not possible when seeking asylum?

 

[Nick]

I wasn’t making an argument. I was saying here’s the limited stuff I had what do you have that’s better?

Ive not said the only benefit is language. You said that. I gave three major benefits.

If your house burned down would you ask your neighbour to put you up or your family?

If I was fleeing for my life because I was apparently going to be killed. I'd probably knock the first door I got to rather than trying to knock on the one having the nicest dinner.

 

[Nick]

Not what the judge in this similar case seemed to think.

Man who raped girl, 15, on Falkirk street jailed for nine years

Sadeq Nikzad, 29, targeted the girl in Falkirk town centre in October 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

Exactly what I said about the cultural differences. (Actually being used as a defence )

Nah just whack anybody unvetted in the middle of a residential error, doesn't matter as you can get white wronguns too.

 

[shmmeee]

If I was fleeing for my life because I was apparently going to be killed. I'd probably knock the first door I got to.

So again you’d take no refugees that aren’t from France or Ireland? Or none at all?

You don’t believe any are valid or that we are unable to judge properly when we say they’re valid?

 

[Grendel]

Exactly what I said about the cultural differences. (Actually being used as a defence )

Nah just whack anybody unvetted in the middle of a residential error, doesn't matter as you can get white wronguns too.

Talk about committing an own goal - it’s the kind of post I’d expect @GIMOC to link!

 

[shmmeee]

Well I wouldn't walk 3 towns over and ask someone there

If all your family was three towns over and the rest of your town was on fire I reckon you would actually.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s still here isn’t he? It said he entered the country illegally? You said that’s not possible when seeking asylum?

The judge said he'd be deported after his sentence. Clever mishmashing of my original words, under the Refugee Convention to which we are a signatory, the route by which someone enters the country cannot be used to discriminate against their case.

The Home Office's guidance is also very clear on deportations at the end of a sentence, even if there is a probable risk to the individual being deported.

To be clear, over 30,000 failed asylum seekers have been deported since Labour came into office. It's clearly not an 'open door' policy.

 

[Nick]

So again you’d take no refugees that aren’t from France or Ireland? Or none at all?

You don’t believe any are valid or that we are unable to judge properly when we say they’re valid?

Why do you keep making things up that aren't being said?

If the English language is such a big factor then why do we need translators?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Exactly what I said about the cultural differences. (Actually being used as a defence )

Nah just whack anybody unvetted in the middle of a residential error, doesn't matter as you can get white wronguns too.

Not what I said and not what I agree with, but carry on.

 

[shmmeee]

Why do you keep making things up that aren't being said?

If the English language is such a big factor then why do we need translators?

I’m trying to work out what your position is. If you don’t think asylum seekers should cross a safe country to get here surely that only leaves countries that border us?

 

[Nick]

If all your family was three towns over and the rest of your town was on fire I reckon you would actually.

Thought all the families were back home and they were making the journey instead?

So the reasons you are saying isn't the benefits, not the ability to work cash in hand, not the free housing but because it's English and their families are already here.

 

[Briles]

Is your argument that we should only take refugees from countries we share a border with?

Yes. Which is none

 

[Grendel]

The judge said he'd be deported after his sentence. Clever mishmashing of my original words, under the Refugee Convention to which we are a signatory, the route by which someone enters the country cannot be used to discriminate against their case.

The Home Office's guidance is also very clear on deportations at the end of a sentence, even if there is a probable risk to the individual being deported.

To be clear, over 30,000 failed asylum seekers have been deported since Labour came into office. It's clearly not an 'open door' policy.

Genuinely am I reading the same article? It said he’s on licence for three years after release?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Genuinely am I reading the same article? It said he’s on licence for three years after release?

At the High Court in Livingston, Judge Morris told him it was an "extremely serious sexual offence" and said he would be deported after his sentence.

Right there.

 

[shmmeee]

Thought all the families were back home and they were making the journey instead?

So the reasons you are saying isn't the benefits, not the ability to work cash in hand, not the free housing but because it's English and their families are already here.

Im literally just asking your opinion. Why are you so afraid to give it?

I’ve also asked what evidence you’ve got that we are more generous or easier to work in than alternatives. You’re not forthcoming there either. The lmao emoji isn’t a substitute for thought I’m afraid.

 

[shmmeee]

Yes. Which is none

What would you do when someone is caught here illegally?

 

[Grendel]

Right there.

why will he be supervised for three years then?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im literally just asking your opinion. Why are you so afraid to give it?

I’ve also asked what evidence you’ve got that we are more generous or easier to work in than alternatives. You’re not forthcoming there either. The lmao emoji isn’t a substitute for thought I’m afraid.

GB News post a story saying Labour deported 30,000 asylum seekers, the comment section goes 'I don't believe you'. That's where we're at here

Nearly 30,000 failed asylum seekers and criminals deported since Labour came to power in 12% increase compared to same period last year

The figures come amid increased immigration enforcement action by the Government

www.gbnews.com

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

why will he be supervised for three years then?

Is the judge wrong?