12 year old raped in nuneaton (19 Viewers)

[SBT]

I don't think that you can just pop in to your local printers and buy 50 protest placards off the shelf. The fact that they are the same at every protest says that they are mass produced by someone. Either that or they are operating as modern day flying pickets.

Well yeah, obviously they’re mass produced by someone - but why does holding them mean you’re looking for trouble?

 

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[eastwoodsdustman]

What does having mass produced placards have to do with it?

I don't think that you can just pop in to your local printers and buy 50 protest placards off the shelf. The fact that they are the same at every protest says that they are mass produced by someone. Either that or they are operating as modern day flying pickets.

Well yeah, obviously they’re mass produced by someone - but why does holding them mean you’re looking for trouble?

Seriously? If you turn up at a protest in a town where a 12 year old girl has been held down and raped then you are either very stupid or trying to push buttons. It shows a huge lack of empathy and respect for what has gone on in the town.

 

[SBT]

Seriously? If you turn up at a protest in a town where a 12 year old girl has been held down and raped then you are either very stupid or trying to push buttons. It shows a huge lack of empathy and respect for what has gone on in the town.

(I still don’t see what mass produced signs have to do with this but ok)

I suppose if you’re going to say that any protest that might inflame local tensions shouldn’t be allowed then you’re not going to have many protests at all.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

(I still don’t see what mass produced signs have to do with this but ok)

I suppose if you’re going to say that any protest that might inflame local tensions shouldn’t be allowed then you’re not going to have many protest

They should have left that particular one alone, there were plenty more up and down the country that they could have put people to work on Saturday.
Thankfully they didn't get the bite that they wanted.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Assume that most people on here shun weekends as those nasty unions earned that for them.

You are living in the past. Get up to date with what's happening now. You seem to be blinkered to what's going on around you. You sound like you long for the days of socialism. Sorry to say they've gone but carry on with your Corbyn and Zarah crusade

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You are living in the past. Get up to date with what's happening now. You seem to be blinkered to what's going on around you. You sound like you long for the days of socialism. Sorry to say they've one but carry on with your Corbyn and Zarah crusade

Not quite. Just acknowledging where certain things we now take for granted came from, and a lot of those things were hard fought for.

Weekends and restrictions on working hours came thanks to union organising, the NHS came from the ‘hard left’ of the Labour Party etc etc.

 

[Grendel]

Not quite. Just acknowledging where certain things we now take for granted came from, and a lot of those things were hard fought for.

Weekends and restrictions on working hours came thanks to union organising, the NHS came from the ‘hard left’ of the Labour Party etc etc.

Its hardly relevant now though is it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Its hardly relevant now though is it?

Ah, welcome back.

 

[CCFCSteve]

It’s hardly relevant now though is it?

Yeah, I’m all for unions protecting workers rights and making sure people aren’t taken advantage of in terms of pay, hours, conditions etc but all I’m seeing at the moment from unions like BMA and Unite (Birmingham bin strikes) is unreasonable blackmail

 

[Grendel]

Yeah, I’m all for unions protecting workers rights and making sure people aren’t taken advantage of in terms of pay, hours etc but all I’m seeing at the moment from unions like BMA and Unite (Birmingham bin strikes) is unreasonable blackmail

And certain socialists in reality leading a very champagne lifestyle

 

[CCFCSteve]

And certain socialists in reality leading a very champagne lifestyle

Well the corruption and behaviour in unite under McCluskey would make some of the Tories cronies blush.

A lot of the doctors are capitalists under the guise of progressive socialists. Let’s be honest their conduct indicates they don’t give a fuck about the working man and woman…unless they’re a member

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, I’m all for unions protecting workers rights and making sure people aren’t taken advantage of in terms of pay, hours, conditions etc but all I’m seeing at the moment from unions like BMA and Unite (Birmingham bin strikes) is unreasonable blackmail

They are by no means perfect, no argument there. The same arguments were however made against the weekend, the minimum wage, restrictions on working hours etc etc as they are being made against the idea of a 4 day week, some people going WFH, increasing wages and so on.

The same arguments being had in a different time

 

[CCFCSteve]

They are by no means perfect, no argument there. The same arguments were however made against the weekend, the minimum wage, restrictions on working hours etc etc as they are being made against the idea of a 4 day week, some people going WFH, increasing wages and so on.

The same arguments being had in a different time

Im not having it BSB. In the doctors case they went on strike before the election when neither the Tories, nor Labour could actually do anything about it. Some will do OT/agency work at high rates to cover for other elements of the BMA that are striking ie consultants covering when resident docs on strike (draining their beloved nhs of desperately needed cash - this might come as a shock but the BMA doesn’t seem to care about the NHS). Half of doctors are also willing to work in the private sector once qualified to maximise pay etc - no issue but then don’t strike !

so striking which puts patients lives at risk, delays treatments, causes cancelling of appointments etc and in resident docs case after being offered a combined 28% in the last 12 months, doesn’t sit right with me

There are some genuine socialists out there who desperately want the best for working people of the country, I struggle to argue against them, these are not them though

ps I won’t bore people with the stuff on unite/bin strike as this isn’t the thread but if correct, also doesn’t sit well with me

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im not having it BSB. In the doctors case they went on strike before the election when neither the Tories, nor Labour could actually do anything about it. Some will do OT/agency work at high rates to cover for other elements of the BMA that are striking ie consultants covering when resident docs on strike (draining their beloved nhs of desperately needed cash - this might come as a shock but the BMA doesn’t seem to care about the NHS). Half of doctors are also willing to work in the private sector once qualified to maximise pay etc - no issue but then don’t strike !

so striking which puts patients lives at risk, delays treatments, causes cancelling of appointments etc and in resident docs case after being offered a combined 28% in the last 12 months, doesn’t sit right with me

There are some genuine socialists out there who desperately want the best for working people of the country, I struggle to argue against them, these are not them though

ps I won’t bore people with the stuff on unite/bin strike as this isn’t the thread but if correct, also doesn’t sit well with me

Talking cross purposes I think

 

[shmmeee]

There is definitely an element of left wing activists (union backed too in a lot of cases) trying to provoke a reaction so that they can say 'look, we told you so, far right thugs at it again'.
You just have to look at the mass produced placards that they all have.

Is this your first protest? SWP would make placards for a particularly large bus stop gathering.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Talking cross purposes I think

Probably, I couldn’t resist a rant though

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Is this your first protest? SWP would make placards for a particularly large bus stop gathering.

Have you been outside in this lovely weather today? Or just sat on here all day ranting away as usual saddo

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Probably, I couldn’t resist a rant though

No issue with that, I do have a problem with the demands of the doctors on strike. My point was more in response to those going on about unions, placards, rallies etc. That sort of thing got us things we now don't think twice about to the point where the idea of going back to a 6 day working week would be dismissed out of hand.

Sometimes the 'hard left' has a point.

 

[shmmeee]

You are living in the past. Get up to date with what's happening now. You seem to be blinkered to what's going on around you. You sound like you long for the days of socialism. Sorry to say they've gone but carry on with your Corbyn and Zarah crusade

When were the days of socialism? Was is the other week? I was out of the country, typical

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

No issue with that, I do have a problem with the demands of the doctors on strike. My point was more in response to those going on about unions, placards, rallies etc. That sort of thing got us things we now don't think twice about to the point where the idea of going back to a 6 day working week would be dismissed out of hand.

Sometimes the 'hard left' has a point.

And sometimes they are also so hell bent on getting their point over that they become blinkered to the bigger picture. In this case a child rape.
Common sense would be to pick their battles a little better.

 

[Nick]

No issue with that, I do have a problem with the demands of the doctors on strike. My point was more in response to those going on about unions, placards, rallies etc. That sort of thing got us things we now don't think twice about to the point where the idea of going back to a 6 day working week would be dismissed out of hand.

Sometimes the 'hard left' has a point.

"Heard it's kicking off because some migrants raped a 12 year old in Nuneaton?"
"Best order some placards in and go and defend them, charge it to the union members and whack some expenses in for those in hi vises. Make sure that fella dressed as a vicar turns up as well"

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

"Heard it's kicking off because some migrants raped a 12 year old in Nuneaton?"
"Best order some placards in and go and defend them, charge it to the union members and whack some expenses in for those in hi vises. Make sure that fella dressed as a vicar turns up as well"

That won’t have been the thought process I’m sure.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And sometimes they are also so hell bent on getting their point over that they become blinkered to the bigger picture. In this case a child rape.
Common sense would be to pick their battles a little better.

That is fair, probably a bit of naïveté. To be clear though, similar protests were held around the country with the same ‘paraphernalia’.

 

[wingy]

"Heard it's kicking off because some migrants raped a 12 year old in Nuneaton?"
"Best order some placards in and go and defend them, charge it to the union members and whack some expenses in for those in hi vises. Make sure that fella dressed as a vicar turns up as well"

It's free speech though or free association is it not?

 

[Nick]

That won’t have been the thought process I’m sure.

What they should have done is gone to the HMO and invited people there to stay with them without any vetting.

 

[Nick]

It's free speech though or free association is it not?

Yeah it is free speech, although imagine paying into a union to make sure you don't get unfairly sacked and see them rocking up counter protesting against that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What they should have done is gone to the HMO and invited people there to stay with them without any vetting.

I mean the backlog of people waiting to be vetted and given a decision is what’s causing the whole problem.

You’re talking to someone who wants those hotels returned to the paying public and for the claims to be processed off shore if at all possible.

 

[Nick]

I mean the backlog of people waiting to be vetted and given a decision is what’s causing the whole problem.

You’re talking to someone who wants those hotels returned to the paying public and for the claims to be processed off shore if at all possible.

Yeah but they can stay with those people in their spare room until they have been vetted, surely?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah it is free speech, although imagine paying into a union to make sure you don't get unfairly sacked and see them rocking up counter protesting against that.

I got disapproving looks in my own union for speaking and voting against using members subs for that and other activities that weren’t relevant to education or teachers. I agree it’s something they should steer clear of.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah but they can stay with those people in their spare room until they have been vetted, surely?

You’re assuming they’re happy to keep using hotels for the purpose, I’ve no idea if they do.

 

[SBT]

Yeah but they can stay with those people in their spare room until they have been vetted, surely?

Probably not?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

When were the days of socialism? Was is the other week? I was out of the country, typical

A long time ago, The Commie Corbyn brigade seem to want it back.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

A long time ago, The Commie Corbyn brigade seem to want it back.

@shmmeee and his sbt internet pals all do, fortunately this forum isn’t the real world

 

[PVA]

A long time ago, The Commie Corbyn brigade seem to want it back.

How long ago? Give us some dates