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Everyone wants ccfc to own the arena, to get all the match day revenue, to get revenue from pubs and hotels, everyone wants the arena expanded and developed, to get a train station etc etc. No one thinks this is a bad thing, PH4 was alledgedly in discussions to buy acl which is exactly what...

It's irrelevent anyway. If the council call back the loan which they almost certainly can't do and wouldn't do if they could, then acl would try to refinance, if they were unable to do this the council would have to take them to court for the money, it would likely end up with acl going into...

No Worries :-) Yes but buying acl seems to be the only reasonable way to do this and thats not what they are saying they want. They want the council to dispose of the lease and then sell them the freehold which is impossible.

You've obviously just misunderstood somewhere, Someone made a statement, I asked a question I didn't know the answer too as that bit of information was important to the discussion. You responded to me and attempted to answer my question but you obviously didn't know the answer and we've kinda...

If they want the freehold at all they have to pay market price, if they want the unfettered freehold well they simply aren't going to get it, while it might technically be possible it would cost a massive ammount more than it's worth and be incredibly complex, they could however buy the freehold...

I don't see why not, we were in trouble already when we signed leon and he has done very well with us putting his value up. There is also the fact that being on the same money would be attractive to him assuming a signing on bonus, more chance of promotion, more job security for the next few...

I can't see it happening, if sisu win the JR, seriously hurting acl and end up getting them on the cheap why would the council who now hate sisu even more than they do now agree a longer lease with them? other than for a very significant amount of money.

Sorry, it hasn't helped because I already understand the situation perfectly. It seems you arn't understanding me however. none of what you replied to me answered what I asked. What does ACL's Lease entitle them to in terms of what land is theirs during the lease and what are they allowed to...

again that isn't what I asked, it's also not a given at all, it's quite possible it is, but it's equally (or even more likely) that it's not. We pay the freehold owner of the block of flats we own (leasehold) a property in a tiny amount of money a year in ground rent. The freehold owner does...

This again is sisu trying to look reasonable but asking for the impossible. The council can't give a 99 year lease to sisu because they have a 47? year lease with acl, if sisu want a 99 year lease they have to buy acl and then negotiate with the council, the council can't take the lease from acl...

sorry? I don't understand the response? are you saying acl's lease entitles them to a percentage cut? that wasn't what I was asking, I mean does the acl lease allow them to develop land ie build a pub and if not does it prevent the freehold owner from developing the land, ie building a pub? You...

But you don't need the unfettered freehold for this, you buy the freehold and you buy acl. Then other than the fact you have casinos and shops etc who contracts you must honor, you can build yourself a train station, you can build a pub, another building where you sell the lease to nandos etc...

:facepalm: This your new way of dealing with having lost a debate and not having a reasonable response?, I'm not sure it's better than you skulking off quietly with your tail between your legs. SISU got out of their contract by liquidating the company, that seems like a good idea lets liquidate...

You can't demand a loan back, there will be a contract. Think how much money banks could make if they demanded their mortgage back

Council literature? it's very simple to see how stupid this request is. I can only assume you don't understand it, or you are being deliberately unreasonable because anyone who does understand what is being asked can easily see its stupid. It could happen if the land were oil fields or...

Exactly, but I think we need to empathise more how stupid and ridiculous a request it really is. Stupidly Expensive, Stupidly complicated, incredibly inefficient time and cost wise, incredibly risky and completely bat shit nuts

No the sane buyer buys acl and the freehold, or just acl. or acl and agrees a price for a lease extension up to 99 years with the council. The insane buyer asks to buy something that can't be sold and the insane poster posts in support of them.

They can have everything they just have to pay for it and buy it from the right people. The council can't sell it all as they don't own it all. If you want the unfettered freehold you have to buy the fettered freehold and then pay off everyone who has a lease there, completely unrealistic of...

20 spins in a row starting with £50 is £52 million, 21 spins £105 million, it adds up quicker than you expect. The odds of that however is 0.0001% for 20 in a row and 0.000048% for 21 assuming 50% chance of winning on each spin (which it isn't, it's something between 47% and 48.6% depending on...

Yes they are but your actions catch up with you, just like we all assume SISU are lying everytime they open their mouth.