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Well thought through - I agree Lilley.

The running of the club went wrong some years before we were relegated IMO.

Because there were not 3 relegated and 3 promoted last year?

Don't be ridiculous, there must be a supernatural explanation for our plight.

Well, it isn't cheap building a sustainable side; you need to be buying some players IMO - not for the point of buying but for the point of getting the player you want/need. If Mowbray were permitted to spend some of the Maddison money then he should really start on a 2 year plan this summer...

I think you're right. But that doesn't excuse the constant short-termism (including losing managers every 15 months). Success has to be built slowly and methodically IMO.

Well yeah, what is the 2 year plan? I thought about it and posted a thread several days ago - there's no evidence IMO of concerted progress against a plan. Surely the plan isn't to get loads of loan players in every year.

It's more that I cannot see Burton releasing anyone from their first choice 11. If they bring in 5 new players then I suspect they will release some of their second choice players. Do we want them? We're certainly not going to get to choose who we want from their first 11 - not going to happen.

It's more likely we can nick the better players from Crewe than take Burton's IMO.

Thank God Bakes is still here.

It's not my plan, it's my conjecture of what this plan may be. Actually, my strongest suspicion is that there is no plan - 2 years was just bandied around to give the manager time to build a team without any pre-considered structure or approach. However I was being generous and assuming that...

Let's imagine that the club really did have a two year plan at the start of this season - by which I mean that the club never expected to have the team that would compete for promotion this year and everything done this year was deliberate. What would that plan be and how well are we executing...

My Dad couldn't even say underpants. He once referred to his smalls as 'under-trousers'.

Agree - but cripes this isn't contemporary Daz.

I once had an experience with an Uncle-in-Law who was a healer. I had a cold and he laid his hands on me - blow me down but three days later the cold was cured.

So here's the thing with the paranormal. Let's just imagine for a second that unexplained supernatural events do occur (and I don't necessarily believe that they do). What a blooming leap to assume that it's dead people trying to communicate with us! That bit is a barmy as a religion.

It's a Le Carré novel - so any sequel is going to have to rely on a BBC writer.

That'll be the Wheatleyans club. Bablake is the most dangerous school in the country; sometimes pupils don't even complete all their homework until the dinner break before an afternoon lesson.

Yeah, like them too - but KC is a totally different vibe - Scottish folk music. Listen to Diamond Mine - it's great.

Now you're talking! :)