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Again. You're really struggling with this. The JR deal's with what happened up until the point that the council bailed out ACL with the YB loan. The JR is about a very specific timescale and a very specific set of events. I'm talking about what's happening/happened after that set timescale and...

Let's not go around in circles with this again Dave in your imagination land (remember stay away from the Christmas Critters). SISU knew that the length of the lease was negotiable. It's down to SISU to get the deal done, no one else. Perhaps if they weren't so distracted in the pointless JR...

Which only confirms that should you have an appetite to do a deal for the Ricoh it was there to be done. How did Joy follow up Ann's visit to SISU HQ over six months prior to the Wasps deal being completed?

Yes. Can you. Dave said earlier in this thread that CCC should have informed SISU that the length of the lease could be extended. It seems SISU were already aware of this fact having previously negotiated an extension on the lease.

Was this before or after they publicly announced that they would listen to ANY serious offer for the Ricoh and then got on the train to meet Joy at SISU HQ in person?

But you admit that SISU new that the length of the lease was negotiable? Unlike what you were saying earlier?

If the shop is packed as you say I think you're being unfair having a go at the staff. What are you expecting exactly? A member of staff and personal till for every single customer in the shop?

SISU should have made an offer for the councils share at the same time then.

I don't think Wasps negotiated it for the whole of ACL either initially. But when they purchased the Higgs share that of course changed.

Personally I can't recall that but then with everything that has gone on details easily get lost. But yes, if that's right there really is no point arguing that CCC hadn't took SISU by the hand informed them that a longer lease (200 years or whatever) was available because as you say SISU were...

Makes you wonder if any of the season ticket holders who traditionally sit there are holding out in hope of this? You never know, if they do reopen it there may be a sudden surge in season ticket sales.

I think you'll find that's CUL's ;)

I think they should let the ladies play there. If only so you can moan about the state of the pitch come February because too many teams are playing on it.

Offer offer offer. Where was SISU's offer? If sisu were serious about BUYING ACL and put half the effort into pursuing it as they did into the fruitless, pointless great idea they had that's the JR they would have had a chance of being successful, unlike the JR. They consciously took the wrong...

The judge if he did indeed say that was talking about the timescale up to the point of the council buying out the YB loan. Not what happened afterwards. You seem to be having difficulty understanding that. The public invite and trip to SISU HQ came sometime after that period. The mood had...

Why is it you insist SISU are incapable of negotiating. Are they incapable of having a good idea idea and taking the right course of actions to achieve that? Negotiations doesn't just have to be about price, there is no law stopping you discussing term's as well. Are you really suggesting that...

Thanks Sandeep for entertaining and being lucky enough to make it to the final draw. Lets hope your luck holds out.

So what you're saying is Wasps didn't know either. Doesn't seem to have stopped them finding out if it's possible to get a 200 year lease so why is it a valid excuse for SISU's failure to find out is it? It's pretty clear that whoever was going to negotiate was going to start with what ACL was...

How would anyone ever know without entering into negotiations? That's what negotiations are for. Surely? You seem to be saying that SISU are incapable of negotiating. Well that would certainly explain a lot.

I don't disagree that they could have marketed it but to suggest it was some sort of secret and SISU didn't know is an illusion.