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I would argue paying rent is an issue. It's only part of the picture but there has to be a balance of what rent we pay and what we get in return. Hasn't that always been the issue? As OSB points out the more we get the more we are likely to pay. It's also wrong to say we get nothing from renting...

From the bits I've found online it looks to me that there are more than one way to skin the propco opco cat as well. For TF to say it will be a propco opco arrangement for me doesn't really tell us anything.

Back to winning ways. 2-0 with a Tudguy brace.

The debt is a major issue too. Do you put it in the propco or the opco? Would it make a difference either way as which ever operation it goes in it will be a millstone around the neck? From what I've read on propco opco arrangements so far unless both operations have a clean bill of health it's...

That's the worry. If it was on the land between Ryton and Tollbar island I could live with that and I'm sure that the majority would say the same. But if it ended up being somewhere like Lawford Heath, forget it. I don't take any comfort from the FL with their eight miles from Earl St comments...

Here's some more on Propco Opco "Jamie Hyams considers whether the financial crisis has undermined the foundations of Opco/Propco structures or whether anything can be salvaged from the rubble. Before the current lending crisis it was not uncommon for companies with good real estate...

It seems to me that a propco opco arrangement offer's SISU more protection for their asset (The Stadium) than it does their investment (The Club) Is it really going to offer any more security for the club than staying at the Ricoh in a good ten year deal? If the location pisses of the majority...

"Run Forest,run" Bill Murray - Chariots of Fire.

Some info about Propco Opco arrangements http://www.dwf.co.uk/news-events/legal-updates/2013/01/propcoopco-structures-is-the-value-and-the-security-in-the-same-place/ In the early - mid naughties, Propco/ Opco deals were all the rage. By separating the real estate and operating assets of a...

Well, I've said that and I'm pretty sure I'm not a SISU lover.

Aren't they supposed to be bringing in a retail partner to cover a big portion of the costs? I'd imagine the stadium might be eligible for some grants. Although none of this has ever really been explained more than a few flippant comments here and there so we're both pissing in the wind really...

Exactly. We've got plenty of posters salivating at the thought of Wasps going bump of the back of the bonds but seem willing to sleep walk our club possibly into a similar situation abusing anyone who questions it as council lovers, wasps lovers or club hater's.

Not unless they knew what SISU were going to do next and I don't know about you but I'd find it impossible to believe anyone who claimed they knew what SISU were going to do next. I have trouble believing that SISU knew what they were going to do next myself. They were winging it, they had no...

If SISU are the propco as I understand it they can borrow against the stadium we're renting. If they have to put some money in to cover losses on rent you can be almost certain it's going straight back into their pockets and all the while they're using the stadium they kindly built us as...

Except those that went to Sixfields.

Interesting read. Open question. Wasn't Propco Opco arrangements that sent a load of businesses to the wall years ago? I'm thinking one retail chain and several nursing home chains? I'll have to have a google later but I'm sure it was something to do with propcos using the asset for further...

Jesus Christ. It sounds like a moth to a flame for some on here.

Of course it is but if you're really naive enough to believe that they did it because they care about the club it probably goes a long way to explaining your posting history.

You do know that you don't have to look at it? There is a football match going on to look at instead.

That line was from Taxi Driver. Tim's more in a pickle than a Travis Pickle.