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Why is it a low? Are went allowed to comment if we perceive that a player whose wages we pay isn't trying?

Some of the rhetoric is a bit strong but clearly something has gone on that he's not happy about and it's showing in his displays, (just to reiterate, I didn't see the game yesterday so more a general comment)

Refs a useless wank, refs a useless twat, hes still useless.

An extra season in this league?

Fuck me

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Reaping the rewards of a solid Christian name and a tidy beard.

I don't think it did, and the point is its been.proven to fail before so no one can say conclusively that it hasn't or won't fail again. The issue of the other night came up due to a wider debate about VAR otherwise I wouldn't have nentioned it, as I said, I'm not getting too bent out of shape...

I think he's pissed off about something that's gone on with his on/off move(es) and maybe that's understandable. But to see a player not trying, especially one that's supposed to be a supporters, sticks in the craw.

I don't agree with that and if you look at my posting history I've been pretty much on his side whenever arguments about him have kicked off. But in the game against Bristol he'd only been on the pitch for a short time but twice let his man run off the back of him and didn't really make an...

I didn't, My comment was relating to goal line technology, but as far as VAR is concerned there appears to be contentious decisions on a regular basis which it was supposed to put to bed, or certainly consign to being a rare occurrence.

See my post Rob, its the lack of effort. Its become embarrassing now.

I neither saw or listened to the game today, but I was done with Shipley after his cameo away at Bristol City, lack of effort and looked totally disinterested. Sounds like today was a similar story.

As I said, it's got previous for failing.

There's controversy every week over VAR though, we've even had crowds singing fuck VAR, I mean what the fuck? As for the goal midweek,I dont think it had crossed the line but I'm not getting too bent out of shape about it personally, we were shit and deserved nothing.

Well no, I think it failed on Wednesday. I don't think it was rigged or fixed just that it failed, which it has been proven to do before.

I'm not sure, in my opinion it failed the other night, but either way,it didn't put the issue to bed conclusively which is what these things are supposed to do.

The Holy grail is desicions, especially the big ones, being 100 percent correct, unachievable of course, but has VAR moved us nearer to that goal? I'm not sure it has apart from offside decisions and even that has people moaning that it's now too clinical.

Look at Thursdays game at Goodison, ref books Allan, ten minutes of VAR fucking about, changes his decision to red, still no consensus on whether it was a red or a yellow and in an admittedly turgid game it was the second major talking point behind a Hugh Fearnley Withingstall look a like cable...