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Point of order, I thought politicians were elected to serve the public?

Thats what happens when people have beliefs that stretch beyond forelock tugging and tax cuts

I know Sharon Graham has been very critical of the party and as you said, wants to reduce funding. I've not heard her dire try having a go at Starmer though she may have.

Not sure what you mean? I've been saying that all along (regarding nationalisation).

So your evidence is something said by a proven liar who this week has changed his mind on another policy and blamed covid. Fair enough if you trust him but your evidence is no more concrete than mine. Do you think the unions still think he'll deliver? And I'd be very happy to be proven wrong...

I've given you my evidence, you don't think it points to the conclusions I've come to, fair enough, but what evidence do you have that he does care about workers rights? He made a lot of big promises the union conference last year but he's changed his mind on issues since then, why can't he do...

Well you can get the evidence about renationalisation from reading his pledge and listening to what he's had to say this week. I've made my mind up about his stance on workers right based onthe last few weeks. Liz Truss says she's going to shred all EU climate legislation. Liz Truss say...

I don't wish he was still leader. And I never mentioned him, I started off asking a simple question, why did Starmer make a pledge about renationisation if he was going to renege on it? I haven't had a satisfactory answer, Starmer himself blamed Covid, Shmmeee said something about Corbyn that...

That was a great goal.

Perhaps if people didn't keep bringing an aging independent from Islington there'd be no need.

You ever been to Croydon?

Again, I would vote for a Labour Party that was more centrist if it had a decent leader who wasn't full of bullshit and actually stood for something. Starmer drew me in, but time after time he's reneged on it until he's lost me.

Don't say that with some of the contributors on this thread, (see heat thread on off topic for details).

You centrists are obsessed with Corbyn. And as I stated, it didn't stop the press painting the party as '70s leftists' anyway. If Starmer is scared of what they'll say about him now, wait until the election draws near.

There's not enough difference to appeal to me with this clown in charge. And I've voted for every Labour leader in my life time at least once, from Kinnock through to Blair, through to Miiband and Corbyn.

So do you think that course of action is in line with his statement on workers rights and Labour's relationship with the unions? And would I want a PM on a picket line, no. Would I want the LOTO throwing his weight behind the working man when there's a cost of living crisis, eye watering rises...

He banned front benchers from attending picket lines but allowed Lammy to go on TV spouting shite. And the problem isn't that he isn't left wing enough, the problem is he's an untrustworthy liar. There's no point in me saying the tories are untrustworthy liars we need them, so I'm going to vote...

He told front benchers not to attend picket lines. And I know you'll say you've got to play the game but he didn't warn front benchers not to trash strikers or BA workers who were trying get pay reinstated. And the Mail ran a story saying he secretly supported the strikes so the right wing...

What's changed to make a Labour leader go from supporting workers rights to not supporting workers rights in just over a year? Oh yeah, covid. How many times have we heard the tories trying to use covid as an excuse when it's clearly been bollocks?

These are the sort of mental gymnastics we all call the tories out for.