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I ask yet again though, were you predicting a 2nd from bottom and 7 points adrift position by the end of November? No! Fact is, none of us did. Most of us said we would be relegated with this team. The fact is though that this manager is going to have us down well before Christmas at this rate...

I just want to see a bit of passion and fight and effort. Is that too much to ask for?

You're missing the point. I am saying that if Thorn is a poor manager it's not going to make a lot of difference how much money he's got, unless it is £20 million or something.

Even if he is a poor manager? You so sure about that?

It will probably be "We were really unlucky because as the forward lined up to score that 2nd goal a mole didn't come up through the earth which could have caused a deflection and prevented the score. We are just not getting the rub of the green at the moment, or indeed of the mole."

But you would expect him to make a cathedral at least into the shape of a cathedral.

Totally agree. They do score a fair few goals though. think if you have goals in your machinery then you always have that belief that you can get back into things.

Bottom by the start of December you mean.

Donny 1 v 0 Southampton Dowie just saying on SSN that Southampton have only had 1 away win in 7 games. Anyone know who that was against? :facepalm:

Ohh dear. Donny just gone 1-0 up against Southampton. :facepalm:

If Thorn goes it would be Carsley.