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As I said earlier, some of the points can be explained away. Some.

Was thinking more in terms of someone who never gives up, chases everything and battles to the last whistle. Think we only have one of them at the moment and that's Richard Keogh.

Thought he sounded at a very low ebb.

Is this a 5 minute argument, or the full half hour? :thinking about:

What the fook is 'my side?' I don't have a side. I have consistently called for Thorn to be given help rather than be sacked. What side is that exactly? :facepalm:

But you are making out that i force my opinions upon people. I believe that not to be the case. Therefore I wonder what you think these opinions are that I force upon people?

Hate to say it, but we could do with 11 Michael Doyle's at the moment.

Yep. And we were so close today. Had we won we would have been within 4 points of Millwall. It wouldn't have taken much for that result to have gone in our favour. However, the mentality is wrong. No doubt about it I feel.

Don't see how anyone can come out and say that all those 21 points are simply down to superior opposition / opposition having a stronger bench / tiredness / inexpereince / lack of squad size. Some of the points for sure. But all of them?

Not taking the high moral ground. Just tell me exactly how making out that anyone who wants Thorn out is thick contributes anything to any debate on any level? What is my opinion exactly then? Please do tell me.

Think it is actually 21. It was 18 this morning.

Yep. I would definitely keep Thorn as a scout. As I say, it has now gone past the point of whether Thorn is crap or good. Change has to happen. It's either that or certain relegation. We are pretty much down already, but there is still a smal chance of survival. While there is still that...

I think today was the final nail in the coffin ....... Unless we try something different.