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  1. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I explained it to you two at 11:16 and then again about an hour later after you didn’t seem to take it in. I’m not doing it a third time. If you don’t read what people write in reply to you that’s your issue.
  2. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Again. Where have I said you said it was a reason to leave the EU?
  3. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    2025 at the earliest is when Macedonia can join the EU and gain the Euro. Aren’t Greece using or threatening to use their Veto though over Macedonia using Macedonia as their name? So I guess it depends on what you mean by next. Might not happen at all yet.
  4. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We have to shrink the economy then. Good luck getting a political party to acknowledge that and then have a manifesto of achieving that and then getting voted in on that manifesto.
  5. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You accuse me of bullshit and then promptly say I’ve said something I haven’t. Oh the irony. I never said you said we should leave the EU because of the Euro being of the benefit of Germany and the detriment of the poorer countries in it. I said you use it as an axe to hit Germany with. Not...
  6. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Which is why I said Cameron had the right idea by going to the camps and taking the most needy and vulnerably. Said from the of you could argue that Merkel triggered the refugee crisis. The way she went about it it was always going to be the most capable rather than the most vulnerable that will...
  7. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Best idea would have been to have stronger controls on who joins. Greece definitely shouldn’t have been allowed to. I’m still convinced that the only reason it did was to give a stay of execution of everything that has happened in Greece. Joining the Euro brought them time from the inevitable...
  8. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes outrage. You being one of the main culprits. I’ve lost count of the amount of times you’ve used the best argument for the U.K. to join the Euro as an axe to hit Germany with. Your last paragraph doesn’t even make sense. Who exactly has said that the Euro hasn’t benefited Germany? Not me. In...
  9. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    As already pointed out we had it in a great period of growth but failed to invest it correctly in certain areas ie housing and health. That’s the crooks of the problem. That’s a failure of our government. Successive governments. Where are we going to get it now? Through a strong economy that...
  10. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Germany, as Grendull pointed out and you’re pointing out now is the best argument for not only remaining in the EU but also joining the Euro and abandoning the pound so no I’m not trying to make out that Germany and specifically German manufacturing hasn’t benefited from the Euro. What I do...
  11. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We don’t have the infrastructure to cope with the demands of our economy. People are not coming here because the economy doesn’t have the jobs that they want, they’re coming here because the work is available as the recent job figures prove. If you want the infrastructure to cope with the...
  12. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The myth there is that the problems are caused by immigration. Tends to be a good policy to have infrastructure that reflects the demands of your economy. It’s down to a failing of domestic policy and lack of investment. Unless of course you’re going to claim that the EU sets the budget for the...
  13. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’ve already told you the domestic policies. Try reading what I’ve already posted. There isn’t an open border between Turkey and Greece or Libya and Italy so yes they would have ended up in EU countries regardless of the open borders given that they entered the EU through closed borders. Am I...
  14. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We haven’t left yet. My point still stands.
  15. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    When you say project fear I assume that you’re talking about the myth that free movement of people in the EU means Eastern Europeans are stealing our jobs. Those figures just confirm that there is enough jobs to go around with huge benefit to the U.K. economy and open borders within the EU isn’t...
  16. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Sweden has an open door policy for refugees. Nothing to do with the EU. Merkels public open invite to the refugees is well documented. You could actually argue she caused the refugee crisis in Europe if you really wanted to talk about the truth. Again nothing to do with the EU. We’ve taken...
  17. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It may well do but it clearly isn’t the overriding factor and by a good distance.
  18. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If you look at what’s happening in Germany and Sweden it has more to do with immigration from Muslim countries than anything else. Immigration both countries invited without anything to do with the EU.
  19. skybluetony176

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’ve got to be on the wind up.
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