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It isn't going to happen anywhere near quickly enough, let's be realistic.

One of the SAGE members has done a thread on what a crisis situation we're in.

Quite irritating that it's seen as a Saturday game yet unlike 28th Dec fixtures traditionally it isn't a 3pm kick off

We're not likely to push to capitalise on it even if they are

That was the day Telfer and Huckerby I think nearly came to blows on the pitch

It's just another cliché isn't it? The idea that we need old heads when years of signing them have invariably been disastrous. Our team might be generally young but they're not so naive

It's in Manchester city centre, has been for a good few years. It's at the Urbis. I have never been but walked past thousands of times

Our record there is atrocious. Be happy with a point. On Tom Bayliss, I'm no ex player obsessive but would like him back at the club. Think he would be useful in our current system.

Even if they're not they've got one of the richest owners in the league who continue to amass obscene wealth through gambling

The problem is that we don't have any other players who can receive the ball on the half turn like O'Hare and with the way we play we really need it. O'Hare does a lot for the team which he won't get credit for.

They're pretty much gone, their form needs to turn around so miraculously it's just not realistic. That said, it's such a pathetic league now that you might stay up with over 30 points

Play the ball not the player

It isn't creativity per se, it's a systemic issue as we sit really deep as a team.

Only saw from about 38 mins onwards. Thought Allen played well. I think Hamer picks the wrong option a lot. Godden is so much better up front on his own than other options, moves centre backs around and creates space.

You can hardly sight Guido as a witness for anything.

I was going to comment on the pitch which looks in an awful state. It's had a lot of football and presume wasn't relaid during the first lockdown?

Derby are skint so doubt they'll be doing much. Not sure about Forest but all clubs will be feeling a pinch and they've got big wage bills to manage already

That's a decent point, defended well against a good side who will get in the play offs. Thought Baka and Biamou did ok when they came on. We should be combining two strikers with a supply line in Giles though.

Talk to O'Hare there?

Anybody who uses the term "bang average" is a clueless cliché caller