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That's right, it's a boolean choice. You're either weaker than Victor torp or hulk hogan!

It doesn't, but its just another attribute thats handy in a play off run in.

I'd agree.

Yes. Watched him as part of a team that actually got to the play offs so the experience he has is also handy.

Watch Torp, he still gets shrugged off the ball far too easy on occasion. Like I say, light years ahead of where he was start of the season but still got work to do.

Allen is far stronger than Torp, currently.....

I'm not basing my opinion on just last night, that wouldn't be fair to any of the players. I've pretty much written it off.

I'd put Alllen in the more advanced role. Torps come on leaps and bounds physically but he still has more work to do on that scores.

Neither us, or anyone else in the mid table mob, is getting to anywhere near that level without a huge cash injection.

Anyone advocating for him to be dropped to accommodate Grimes instead of Torp has lost their mind.

Crack on. But sending the old blood pressure haywire after losing to that lot really isn't worth it. If we lose to QPR I'll lead the meltdown.

Are we out of the swing of it though? Does this game tell us any more about the team than beating Plymouth 4-0 did? We've been doing well, we got beat by comfortably the best team in the league. We don't play anyone remotely approaching their level for well over a month. I don't think there's...

I don't like to give Farke credit because I don't like the prick but he's done a good job, albeit with a massive budget.

That team, on that showing, is streets ahead of last season. They had some great players last season,but as a team unit they looked far more effective last night.

Trying to think of the last side I saw in the Championship as good as these. People talking about formation changes based on last night, get a grip. Last night told us nothing other than we're miles away from Leeds in every department as are most other teams in this league. Bit of fun Saturday...

This old match thread on the go malarkey is confusing.

Usually the case, but They do prevail sometimes. Be quite happy to grab one of those spots and see what happens!

They're light years ahead of us and most the league. Take it on the chin and move on.

Was on social media, 2 fellas circled.

Jelly and ice cream?