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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It’s pretty clear even from this thread that people are split on this, from rejecting May’s deal, to wanting to renegotiate or just go out with no deal. My arguments for a second referendum are centered around the Government not being able to pass its Brexit deal. No one is seriously basing an...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How would these alternatives be offered to the public? A referendum? So you are in favour of another referendum. If so, it's hypocritical to offer the public alternatives on what kind of Brexit they want, but not if they wish to reconsider Brexit. That's rather hypocritical. You know full well...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What do you mean exactly when you say the Government can deliver Brexit? It can’t deliver a Brexit via Parliament ratifying the current deal.
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Let’s concentrate on Britain can do. What is the solution the situation the government finds itself in? If not a general election or referendum, what’s to be done? As far as I can see, the options are May’s deal, which isn’t a proper Brexit, hence the ERG are in open rebellion or a no deal...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That reply is beneath you. Why don’t you share your wisdom and lay out what you think will happen? Surely someone as intelligent as yourself recognised that something needs to happen one way or the other, be it a GE or referendum. You’re not stupid.
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Whichever way a second one went, there probably wouldn’t be a third for a generation. Surely people cannot look at the state of government right now and think we should carry on business as usual? I’m well aware that the voter fatigue is a real thing, but this is a crisis. I’m not even being...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    Jodi Jones ACL

    Another setback, but it’s not the end of the world! If he rehabs it properly he can hopefully come back strong. Personally, I think the club handled his rehab well, because he was playing for about 2 months before it went again. This is just bad luck. Surely the amount of ACL’s can’t just be...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Well, that’s what we ‘the people’ were told during the referendum. Another false premise of the Leave campaign.
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You really are in complete denial about the reality the country finds itself in. Britain cannot get this deal through Parliament and the government therefore, needs to break the deadlock by deferring to the public again. Something needs to be done and right now, the EU has said it won’t...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What a way to shut down debate. Your solution is a ‘no deal’, that is not what the British people voted for. The only reason you’re against a second referendum is because you’re running scared.
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    ... it is a bad deal, which is telling about the state of Brexit since it isn't actually that bad all things considered. How would you break the deadlock? I'm interested in anyone's opinion.
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It goes deeper than polling numbers. Last time I looked, a vote tomorrow would yield a 55% win for Remain (note: I don’t take this as gospel). This suggests a couple of things, that the public are not happy with a Brexit process and/or the deal May is bringing back to the country. Public opinion...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Please stop talking nonsense, you’re just wrong. Its mainly the DUP and ERG MPs (Brexiteer Tory backbenchers) which is stopping Theresa May’s Brexit deal.
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Jacob Rees-Mogg was right when he said the PM has lost the confidence of Parliament. The government is in a position where it cannot pass the deal of what it was elected to do. The result here is the government seeking a renewed mandate and calling a general election. However, with the timeline...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Answer me this. The Brexit deal is going to be rejected in parliament. This means Brexit is on halt because it cannot be passed and therefore cannot be finalised. What is your solution? No one has answered this question. Look, Brexiteers such as Rees-Mogg and Galloway, on the left and right of...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What uni did you go to and what on earth did you study?
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    George Galloway also holds the opinion that May's deal is so bad, it's better to remain a full member of the EU than to leave on those terms. He's calling for a general election, which, we know a change in PM via May resigning or that of a new government won't change the negotiation position of...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, the government is choosing to commit to Brexit, but, technically the result of a referendum is not binding to the government. There’s a fundamental difference to following a referendum result and a referendum being legally binding. Referendums are not legally binding, this is a fact, not...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That referendum was only called because it was part of the Conservative and Lib Dem coalition. The Conservatives (or Labour) we’re never enthusiastic about this potential reform and certainly wouldn’t have called a referendum themselves. Governments tend to respect the result of referendums, as...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That was AV, which is a hybrid system of first past the post and proportional. That was for the Commons and not the Lords. For me, a hybrid system is the worse of both worlds. You don’t get strong majorities like in the current system, at the cost of having a system that isn’t even that...
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