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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Yep, doesn’t matter because they weren’t campaigning to be in government. The Lib Dems, Greens and Reform do not need plans for government…
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

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    If the Labour government disappoints people like you, it’s possible that the Greens could start cannibalising Labour’s vote share in a similar way to Reform in future elections. What was impressive about their performance last night was that they won in both Labour and Tory areas.
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

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    There you go… I laboured to listen to a few manifesto launches and Reform made an effort to talk more on the economy and tax. On the NHS, they had some creative policies too such as abolishing basic tax for nurses and GPs. Of course immigration was a main topic, as it is for the electorate as a...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

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    If you have that breakdown, please do share. They got 15% of the national vote, that’s not indicative of a single issue party. That’s more than the Lib Dems! Did you vote Greens purely on their environmental/net zero policy alone? I know my friends who voted Greens didn’t. To draw a comparison...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Funnily enough, Farage’s big pitch was to turn the clock back to 1997 (tongue in cheek). Taxation, net migration and public services back to levels seen before Blair became PM. Immigration would be main appeal for ‘red wall’ areas and taxation a focus in attracting ‘blue wall’ support. Calling...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Personally, I have no qualms with that because Labour will be stable in government. Just as the Tories were in the sense that the government wasn’t in danger of being brought down. I’m just not a fan of the volatility and nature of coalition governments characteristic of the many European...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

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    100% agree. However, given our electoral system, modest swings back in favour of other parties and there are some really vulnerable seats. Labour won a majority with the smallest % of vote share ever. Whilst last night was a massive achievement that was truly unthinkable in 2019, it is a...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Did you mean wouldn’t underestimate? In which case, I’d agree it’s foolish to underestimate him. He cuts through to voters who traditionally would be Labour voters with conservative ideas.
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Well, GDP per capita has been steadily decreasing since the Blair years. Rents and house prices are up, NHS waiting times are up and schools overcrowded. There’s multiple factors, no doubt net immigration being high as it is plays a role here. It’s an issue that consistently is a top 3 concern...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Exactly - it’s about realignment of the right because they’re an insurgent party. They’ve just won 15% of the popular vote. Farage’s stated goal is to lead a hostile- takeover the tories.
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Their goals were different to Labour and Conservative. These parties needed a plan for government. Parties like Reform and Greens, their goals are for realignment of the the right and left respectively. As a party, they had an interesting policy on the NHS. Things like lowering tax for front...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters. If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Returning taxation net migration to the same levels as the Blair government is scarcely making yourself unelectable. Looking at the early results in Labour strongholds, they could easily lose a lot of seats to Reform if they don’t sort out migration. Especially if the Tories-Reform have some...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

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    They are challenging very hard in Labour strongholds as well as Tory safe seats too. They could well be on the precipice of a major breakthrough in 2029 at the current rate.
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

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    This is the best part of the night, the northern seats racing, literally competing, to be the first seat to declare the result. I remember 2019 really well, when they recounted Blyth because they thought the Tories had won, you knew it was going to be a long night for Labour.
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Iirc, the Greens have come close to winning in Norwich, Bristol and of course Brighton.
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Bearing in mind Reform are projected to hit 13 seats, the ‘right wing’ vote is not too far behind the Labour vote. A majority of this proportion should see Labour in government for 10 years but if they’re complacent, they too could be overturned at the next election. The tories winning 131...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

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    You haven’t even looked into the policy…
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Are you sure? Besides, how has Anglo-Franco cooperation got us so far? We’ve agreed a £500m (3 years) deal for detention centres and border officers in France. Given that I’d approx double the money we currently give the French government, I’m sceptical it’ll resolve the issue of small boat...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Smart-arse. Post-Brexit, the border is literally in the Irish Sea because there was this little known thing called The Troubles that happened when there were policed border posts on the island of Ireland. The Good Friday Agreement outlined the need to avoid a ‘hard’ border. In practice, the...
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