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Think Swansea dropped all four too very quickly.

Hope they get a nice little bonus.

McGoldrick is on loan, so won't be on a contract as such with us anyway. From the looks of him would have thought that McDonald would be our hungriest player anyway.

As far as I'm aware the financial incentive to being in the team, and doing well, has actually increased. The bonuses for failing to do well have disappeared though. Can't disagree with that, and any player who doesn't agree with that can fuck off and find a better job somewhere else if they...

If they thought he wasn't going to get it bookies would be more than willing to take money off mug punters. Sign that they know something if they stop taking bets on somebody they might end up losing money on.

Feel sorry for Carsley really, Carsley - y just doesn't work, nor does Lee - y. No chance of ever getting a top job in football management.

Probably because they know he has the job!

2nd favourite with Sid James maybe. Hattie Jaques is the favourite.

I don't know, Martin Allen has always had a bit of previous with leaving clubs under clouds. Doing well now though.

It was my saying that he couldn't be credited for scouting Kilbane that caused you to jump with your hob-nailed boots into the discussion, flailing witlessly as usual, without any reading of what was actually said. As I said then, and still stand by it now, Thorn deserves any credit or...

Ranson was lauded for being a "football man", and that didn't get us anywhere either. Think getting the right manaager, to the right team, at the right time is mistly a matter of luck. We're just not very lucky.

Thanks very much Tommy! Reasoned, factual debate from any side is welcomed, ranting of any sort doesn't do the argument any favours on either side.

Good point, Jeremy Clarkson is a right gobshite.

I said all credit(or debit) should go to Thorn for scouting the players he did for this season(Though wouldn't credit Thorn with "scouting" Kilbane as he was hardly an unearthed, unknown gem, much to MMM's strange ranting disgust).

To be fair to Robins, he wasn't at Barnsley at all last season i don't think.

The Crazy World of Phil Brown - The Crazy World of Phil Brown.

Shawsy?? Fucking hell.

Radiohead always good for cheering up people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ot9pETh7U

I saw them at Lanchester Poly, around 1985 i think, abdolute shite, just miming, the lead singer Martin Degville got bottled on stsge and had to have about 7 stitches I think. The support act, Black Elvis 2000 was good though.