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So this debate is seemingly suggesting that Parliament made the right decision as we all appear to accept that any intervention is merely to protect oil & money...people dying from chemical attack is simply a convenient (or maybe even manufactured!) excuse to intervene?

Strange one this...it seems costs associated with keeping individuals alive is much higher than the cost of losing them due to battle.

Well if we look at the cash we might save by ridding ourselves of any further changes or regimentation of the marvellous/ridiculous H&S...maybe we could offset the cost of losing the big money you mention. In H&S & NHS we go to amazing lengths & costs to save/prolong lives. So maybe we can...

""It is clear to me that the British Parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly." So...just to emphasise...It is CLEAR...THE BRITISH PEOPLE, does not wish to SEE British military...

Don't get me wrong here - not suggesting what anyone ought to think...merely considering different attitudes. For the actual facts I would have to have been there & seen, & heard & applied my own interpretation. I am in full agreement with you though from what I do see & hear, which are...

On the other hand he served his time. I would avoid judging him as I do not know the actual facts if why he did it. I am fully against violence against women, but then recently there was a case in Coventry of a female thug beating an old man up...would you hit her if she set about YOU? Would...

Well, perhaps the mere topic in some minds is enough for many to consider it promoting the actual act by association. The same doesn't seem to work with literature/art in the form of pictures though - Stephen King isn't accused of promoting murder & mayhem in books, nor are artists in their...

In fairness I think some still would - because some feel THAT strongly about it.

The actual music or songs is irrelevant

Without going into detail about the ethics too much...Amy Winehouse was a known drug abuser, people bought her records. Chris Brown beat up Rhianna...people still buy his music & watch him in concert. Just because King is a footballer doesn't make the crime any worse or better. Hence the moral...

It's Politics...there is usually a rat involved. Probably right in your comment - there will be a SISU style umbrella strategy in place for achieving "stability" in the region. GASP ...not much of a walk in the park for those who were killed or injured/traumatised. I think I understand...

Chris Brown/Rhianna, Bobby Brown/Whitney Huston, Amy Winehouse, Ozzy Osborne, John Bonham...I think that covers enough much-famed celebrities over enough generations - reality enough?

The "not for sale" is as always a case of until we think that's good business. As time has gone by with playing staff, SISU have cashed in early, poorly, stupidly...& sometimes sensibly. He'll go in January if he keeps his form, probably somewhere like Leeds or some other mid-high Championship...

Thing is its one of those "where do you draw your line?" Dilemmas for me. People are happy to buy records & pay to watch bands that sing about beating women up..&/or taking drugs...&/or doing gansta type stuff. thats what he's done innit??? So general society it's like acceptable to be...

I agree. I only look at the "New Posts" so there might already be loads I miss. Generally, once I'm fed up debating a topic in a thread because it degenerated into offensive, pointless or tit-for-tat points scoring type stuff - I avoid it. Lots of threads I instantly ignore already...the topic...

Before we start even contemplating giving Gibralter away...we should demand the Spanish set an example by giving Ceuta & Melilla up to Morocco, & the Argentines should give up their claim to Antartican territory. If we got to that point we should then let the people decide just like we are doing...

...or pay for anything!

What a complete fail!

So is Gregg

What - Delia's Hairy Pie...eugh!