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I agree to a point. Think the main problem is that SISU (in whatever guide - it seems to be JS at SISU who is the decision-maker) only appear to be willing to sell at a premium price (probably almost as much as the darned stadium itself), & if anyone bought the stadium the club's price would be...

This might help us understand why ACL don't talk to "them"...nobody is really sure who the hell they need to talk to do any deal.

That is not a fact so cannot be in any way certain - only a speculation which can be believed or not believed. We might well have folded just as or even more easily than if they hadn't come in. Them coming in with the 11th hr rescue IS a fact.

...& charge the club £1.2m annual rent I think the OPs paragraphs 1-3 succinctly clarifies exactly why I feel the way I do. I have lost all belief & confidence in anyone involved with SISU now. Doubt they will ever gain any respect from me in the future (still grateful for their original 11th...

I think we SHOULD shoot the messenger(s). It might alleviate some of the tedium going over the same old ground (no pun intended) time after time. No offence

Ed Balls :-)

I think the vast majority actually blame all parties to varying degrees. The division appears more one of how best to respond for maximum effect to get what we want - & most of us are fair-minded in thinking there is reasonable grounds for all stances. The hardship is deciding which one sits...

Well put indeed OSB...the only way forward for us as fans IMO is to respect the decision others have made (i.e. To stay home, stand on the hill or go into the stadium to watch) no matter how despairing or incredulous or frustrating it makes you. Then when we get some positive actions from...

Have you found any cheap flights for the Warsaw game? When is it btw???

Energy, oil & several other industries defy that logic because they are not really in competition - officially they are, but in reality they are simply a consortium of providers for a necessity. Also the customer doesn't directly have physical contact with the product (barring accidents lol)

Tens of thousands of miners literally fought for their jobs back in the 80's...& tens of thousands of miners lost their jobs.

Aha...as explained the +1 is Wembley which is not a Leage Ground.

Well that makes it 92 then...not 92+1. And if they were going to miss out the Ricoh it'd 92-1. Or have I missed something?

In business you suck-up to your customers a bit. Treat them with contempt & they'll ruin you. Ask Gerald Ratner! Then you reach a point where you just take what you can get. If the JR goes against & the gated are still below 3k I wonder if their nerve will hold?

What makes you so certain that Otium will still e here by Xmas? They have said a lot of things..."We are here for the long haul" being one recent throwaway line.

I think that is wrong. The only reason they are "looking at the next move" is because the moves they had predicted have, or are starting to go desperately wrong. The impact of NOPM must be making them at least think more carefully...they're maybe thinking they underestimated fan-power. However...

I don't dispute that he reacted...nor that he was given the verbals (lets not toy with politically correct/corporate bllx speak) & maybe threatened too (might even have done some threatening himself) - all serves to escalate it. Roads are public area's too but if H&S becomes an issue (e.g...

I'm firmly in the NOPM camp. I do not go anywhere near Sickfields. However, each to their own - if you choose to go - then go & don't let a few either tanked-up or simple morons deter you with bullying & threatening behaviours. I think they will have now killed their own protest & ruined it...

It was always going to happen as the numbers on JsH grew...& the frustration & boredom sank in. SISU will secretly be laughing their socks off as they'll privately claim the "genuine fans" are in the ground peacefully supporting - the others are boycotting matches or inciting the "genuine...

Thus far, throughout their time with the club, the majority of their words of intent have been positive. Meanwhile the vast majority if their actions have been negative or caused great upset to one or more body attached to the club. As a result I'll err on the cautious side & say that stated...