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Can't help with costings...but the faceless beaurocrats I am on about are those in & around the MEPS - bribing, bullying & cajoling them to do what the EU mandarins want Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

The faceless beaurocrats are/have the equivalent of parliamentary whips. I am sure you know how they influence Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

48 vs 52 suggests the division has already been created while we are in the EU - because they are trying to make things happen too quickly...like integration & expansion at the same time. And the catering industry 8% (in Germany are we talking now?) BUT that flexibility is likely to come back &...

You really think they would vote for a deal heavily biased toward the EU? They value their seats in the house too much, because I am sure that even the most resolute remainers would not expect their MP to vote for a UK stitch-up deal!? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Them & more especially the hidden faceless beaurocrats Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

The general strategy of federal EU! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

4% is a small margin? Yet if you offered a small 4% pay increase to 90% or more of average workers...I reckon they would rip your arm off! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

I tend to agree...and it is only relentless pursuit of success that brings the relentless scrutiny. Money & the pursuit of it has ruined sport at the highest level, in fact it has pretty much ruined society Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

They would never say it in print or public. They simply scheme things that way. I say 'mostly' because of things like sponsors/commissioners having vested interests in the outcomes of the polls...they have become a tool to sway the not yet committed...or destabilise the committed. Don't trust...

Wondered how long it would take before ypu threw that one in. Fact is - these polls were mostly suggesting remain victory before the actual referendum. The latter being the only one that counts!!! Polls told us Clinton would beat Trump - and loads of other things before being left with egg on...

Not if you are a member state in the EU you can't...without their express agreement of course Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

And just to remind you again...the UK voted 'out' on a majority basis Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Nor should you shut...but stop going over & over the same old shit that hasn't won the arguments already Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Nobody...predictive txt at work there methinks. UK most definitely IS leaving voluntarily. Sorry for any confusion there! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

No - as an employee that has worked with such big businesses & their dictators Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

No it most certainly isn't voluntarily. We voted to leave as a nation. You've appeared to be trying to turn that around ever since! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

But you understand everything don't you? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

And all the democracies in the world are steered by the biggest & noisiest businesses & their leaders...who often run said businesses like mini-dictatorships. They all hold 'transparency' & 'honesty' dear as values but for your own sake don't question or dispute how they implement their...

But...you almost had me convinced that your spouting were what the actual outcome is going to be. Now I AM confused lol Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

That's coz you're a neg-head! Maybe everyone will benefit? Just in a different way Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk