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I'd also rather us get someone else in. No sour grapes. But he's gone now and we need to freshen up so if we use the loan system I'd use it to get someone else in. Of course, if we got him back I won't complain.

My take on it. Clingan, Eastwood and McPake won't be missed. Kilbane, as mentioned yesterday, had an injury last year and that's it. He's played over 700 games in his career, not exactly injury prone. Fleck's a talent, we've heard that. We've also heard he hasn't fulfilled that. Well, maybe this...

Sarcasm not lost on you then I see.

I'd actually go with another striker. Goals goals goals!!

Nobody's saying they're all rubbish, but there's a lot of dross in this league. We're not exactly right down there in the betting stakes either.

I also think Thomas will have a big season!

I think there's more options in today's team. And its mostly because of kilbane. He could allow you to bring sheff into the middle or if you want more experience in the middle he can play there. See how it is when the season starts though!

Definitely looked like it didn't it!

Looks like an old peoples home!

Indeed. But apparently there are now rumours doing the rounds that Keogh's signed a new contract. Again, I'll wait to hear more and anythin official but if this deal had to go through for the Keogh one then I would take that.

There's articles on-line in the independent, Guardian and Telegraph now about it which gives it a bit more credibility for me.

Yeah, but he was born in Burundi, so he did get it right?!

Has he? When was that? Might be alright in League 1 - did he play with Leeds in this division?

SkyblueSteve just said this on another thread? If it's true that's amazing. Who's been saying it on twitter?

Is he your nephew or something? It's about the 5-6th time you've mentioned him.

That's what I l always think, I don't get it. But Huckerby signed for Leeds when he didn't want to?

I hope that's tongue in cheek!

I don't think you quite got my point though. When I said it's not all black and white and theres other factors involved, I wasn't dismissing Thorn as one of those factors.

See above!

I answered that before though by saying I do expect it, it was just finished off with a sarcastic comment! But as I was saying, it's not all black and white. Let's face it, before Christmas last season some players were a disgrace. THEY also need to deliver.