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You'd need to put down around £1.7m in order to get a seven-figure return from the bookies on Cov staying up; and if you have that kind of money floating around, why would you bother? The bookies get so rich precisely because they do know the statistics, and profit from people banking on that...

Thanks! Now move along, please.

I hope this isn't your idea of being a wind-up merchant. It's a little feeble.

The ironic thing here is that those dismissing statistics as mouldable propaganda are doing so in order to make an optimistic case for CCFC...

Nah, the only thing that annoys me is the likelihood of CCFC going down. Turf battles mean nothing (as much as you'd like to start one), because we'll all be suffering at the end of the season. The home form is freakish because we averaged 0.9 points per game in the first 11 home games, and...

The total exchange was two posts each - it was hardly an epic. There is a difference between exasperation and defensiveness, and it was the personal attacks and determination for parity that made it the latter.

It seemed to work. That was a much cooler post. They weren't the same questions. It was a discussion about the meaning of the term realistic. You stated that you believed fans could have different ideas of what constitutes realism, whereas I said it was measurable. Then you pulled up your...

I think you have to add commentary to the stats. Yes, on paper CCFC's form has been a marked improvement. In reality, we're on a freak home run and still can't get points away from home (which is the constant at play). In other words, we'd have to keep winning at home in order to maintain that...

You shouldn't intervene - kg82 will think of you as being narcissistic.

I like discussion. I like jumping in and starting questions, looking at facts and statistics, engaging with fellow posters. I don't dislike anybody here; the heat tends to come in my direction, but I feel like I back up my arguments. The tone of writing on a message board is a reflection of...

What's your point? If it's the value of hope, go for it. I have no problem with that. I hope too.

No, because you resorted to emotion and irrationalism when you reached the end of your debating road. Textbook. Just continuing to prove my point. Take a cold shower.

Yes, if you're referring to kg82. I engaged in discussion with him, answered all his points, and he worked himself into a lather when he was up against a wall. Textbook.

That would be terrific form, but it is the nature of the form that is so troublesome. A freakish home win streak including wins based on penalties, all away losses. If it was more evenly spread across home and away then there would be room for optimism; but surely anyone who has to bet would say...

Yep, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a single statistic or factor that works in City's favour. It would take a major divergence from the status quo to allow us to stay up.

Textbook reaction.

They are not exclusive to one another. That home form has been tempered by atrocious away form. The argument I have been making for some weeks is that the home form is more likely to dip before the away form is likely to spike, bringing us back to equilibrium. Having accumulated three away...

Considering that we are three points deep in the relegation zone and have played 1-2 games more than our three closest competitors, then no, we do not have as much chance of staying up as going down. That much is obvious. Being a realist is "the attitude or practice of accepting a situation as...

There's a long charge sheet against SISU, which most certainly includes the hiring/continued employment of AT. However, I would suggest that the investment issue is not wholly their fault. There's a case to be made that fan turnout is linked to investment, and to do otherwise would be putting...

This again? There's nothing shameful about fans making well-made arguments on a discussion board, regardless of their viewpoint. What I would suggest is shameful is slamming fellow fans and calling for censorship just because you cannot bear their opinion (aka denial). This is a discussion...