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Totally agree with that, Sutty. A hard player to stop and prevent him playing his game, but if you don't even try to stop him playing his game then what's the point? Pushing the defence up would have given him less space to operate in for sure. Guessing Hodgson may have felt that would leave us...

He is a special player. Can't see anyone who has said he is not. England's weakness however is our defence. Everyone to a single man would agree on that. So, with that in mind do you just let a midfield maestro pick his passes all day long and stroll around the park under no pressure...

Rooney was poor. It's a funny old game though. Had he scored from that chance inside the penalty box that he should have scored from, he would have scored one and created the other from that fab ball into the box. A goal and an assist and it would have been much harder to criticise the bloke...

Just wanted to add too, that i think we can be very proud of that performance. Just how many times in the past have we failed to to play well at all in previous tournament group games and have got through to the knock out stages scraping wins and by the skin of our teeth? I'm sure the world...

So why isn't he just a master class and winning every game for Italy? There has to be a counter for him surely. You can't just let him spray the ball about the park all day long. Didn't say it was simple, Sutty, just saying we just allowed him all the time in the world all game long and didn't...

I wouldn't get too donwhearted to be honest. Bottom line is that tonight tactics and formations were our main downfall. 1. Not rectifying the problem down our left. 2. Putting no pressure on Pirlo and just allowing him to stroll around the park controlling the game. If Lloyd McGrath can mark...

He played well the other night though in the friendly. Looked quite sharp then and made a big difference, so he should be close to ready at least.

Fitness play a part too tonight? Just how many England players went down with cramp?

Can I also say, I do agree with the pundits here. Easy to say we were shit, but had that great chance for Rooney gone in (and let's face it he SHOULD have scored), it may well have been a completely different ball game. Very small margins at times. Play that game again and it could be a...

I would go for Lallana or Barclay in that role. Wilshere was poor when he came on but I would still consider him for a start. He keeps things ticking over and has a burst of pace about him. Shooting and crossing was also piss poor for us tonight.

Bar Billiards?

Next game play Oxlade-Chamberlain AND Sterling. Pace down both flanks.

Remember 87? FA Cup. Hoddle? Marked out of the game, given no chance to impose his will.

Just two simple things though, Wingy. All we needed to do was to close Pirlo down a bit and not just give him a stroll around the park and sort out that marking problem down the left. Pirlo is class but we failed to harry him at all. The problem down the left killed us. Had we corrected that...

Everyone else gone to bed? :D

Okay, forget about the first match. That doesn't count. Unimportant. Just win the next 2 and we'll be fine. :whistle: