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He most certainly isn't. Certainly not setting any example and disappears from a game rather than be controlling it.

2nd best prospect after Andrew Luck. Robert Griffin though shone the brightest today for sure. 2 TD's. 40-32! :claping hands::claping hands:

Barton seems to be exactly the sort of player we don't want at the club unfortunately. Only basing this on what we have seen so far of course, but all the things the Preston fans were saying about him have so far rung true. Silky skills, lots of quality, but lacks the bottle for a fight, ambles...

I don't recall anyone claiming they were Shaws' and Carsley's signings as well. Always thought the assumption was that they were Thorn's. Still early yet of course, but skills they may have, at the moment though, appetite for a fight they seems to lack. All the attributes I wanted to see in...

My reply was aimed at the OP and not you, Rev. :whistle:

Yep. a Very ill thought out post. Let's move on. You're trying to make a point about Thorn, but the new players seem to lack the appetite for a fight, have all but no fire in their bellies, lack determination and spirit as well as a bit of pace and strength. Who brought those players in...

McGoldrick - 7 Plastic bag blowing across pitch - 7.5 (MOTM) Rest of the team - 2

Has Kilbane been subbed yet at all? cos that is what has needed to have happened. The bloke doesn't lead by example at all for me and disappears out of games more often than not.

That probably rules Barton out then I would have thought.

Anyone else think this might still have something to do with bonuses?

Yep, maybe you were right. I didn't say anything cos I knew very little about any of the players. Heard the warnings about Barton though. Seems to me that he is exactly the sort of player we don't want at this club. If you watched Luke Freeman today for them he never stopped running and...

You can't even mange 3 seconds?

I have been wondering if the board had been holding on in the hope that Shaw would have a good run like Thorn did and make the decision easy for themselves, with fans probably being onboard as a result.

My problem though is, though they look to have a good level of skill and the attributes to do well, they seem to lack spirit, fight and determination. Where's the will to win? 4 games out of 6 now we've taken the lead and thrown it away.

A winning mentality? The same Ince who in his last job took Notts County on a run of 9 straight defeats and then left by mutual consent shortly after and hasn't had a job since? That Ince?

Have people woken up yet I wonder? A few on here I recall saying before the season that they felt we would go the entire season unbeaten at home. Crazy talk of course. Remember arguing the point at the time, asking as to where on earth the sudden winning attitude would come from after season...

After 25 mins it was hard to even spot him on the pitch.

We lacked any fight. Seemed to have no urgency about us at all. Shame Adam Barton wasn't playing today. Would have been interesting to know if he would have made any difference or is just the luxury player who disappears out of games as the Preston fans were saying.

Not wanting to have another Thorn debate, but at the moment it looks like he has brought in 9 players with no fight in their bellies, who lack, spirit, determination and a will to win. You can't just throw 11 good players together and expect a good team. You probably need a lot less Adam Barton...

Anyone who recorded the game on Sky today, play it back and fast forward to 88 mins 58 secs and freeze frame it just about there. McGoldrick has the ball on the left flank and is just lining up to cross the ball. In the picture are 8 Stevenage defenders, all in and around the box, 4 inside, 2...