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think the horse has bolted on that one after the cheering tories voted not to give them a pay rise.

HA! You won't have much need to, they're out of our league!!

No it won't but it's predicted that the UK will slip to between 7th or 9th by 2020/21. I'm not sure how accurate those predictions can be given the current volatility surrounding brexit but hopefully they're either scaremongering or our wealth won't change it will just be emerging economies over...

How the fuck did you end up there?!

Is Astute not referring to resident immigrants though who are potentially contributors through NI payments as opposed to the 'NHS tourists' in the article you linked.

too late. He's set me on edge as well, gonna be a long night.

I didn't say they had no effect, but I think you know that. I said, more than once, that they are not the main reason for the NHS crisis.

Can't argue with that. Wonder how promptly other EU countries collect their dues from us?

the original argument was regarding the effects of immigration on the NHS and the wider economy. I used some examples of economies with greater immigration out performing us who have higher percentage immigration. You've chosen to move away from that topic and keep going on about Spain for some...

and so would you the way you go off topic when it suits.

yeah, that's contraction.

Spains predicted growth is better than ours, whatever else you say that's true. Can't find the report which said UK wage contraction worse than Greece so until I do then fair enough. we're 2nd worse, just ahead of Greece, what a proud boast! There's a much bigger picture with the NHS than the...

wage contraction, ours is worse than theres. I think, and I could be wrong, that wage contraction in the UK is at it's worse ever, 3 quarters on the trot.

the debate wasn't about trying to defend the EU though was it? It was about trying to blame immigration for the woes of the nation, you've let yourself get side tracked.

think some c**t complained mate.

which part of currently are people failing to grasp. Not it's economy is in better shape, not it has a better economy, just it is currently performing better. And those GDP projections for the UK are well out based on the latest information.

I never said Greece was performing better than us, I said in some areas. Our wage contraction is worse than Greece for example. Spain is currently performing better than us.

it's frightening. The man is clearly emotionally unstable.

my point was, I don't think that the fact the UK has been confirmed as the worst performing major economy is anything to do with immigration and highlighted some better performing economies with higher immigration as examples. Take your point regarding growth, yes, we're still the 5th biggest...

which tells us what about immigration?