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Does this mean the dad attaked his own child or did he do something which caused the attack in revenge which the police have got wind of during their investigation?

Not strictly true. You can kick someone on the ground if you can make a case that you though they were going to seriously hurt you when they got up. I saw someone get away with murder, (not literally), in court using this tactic after they'd leathered someone. A lot depends on the perceived...

oldest trick in the book. When my son tells me he's sleeping at one of his friends we always check with the friends parents.

was always out. Thing is, the road I grew up in had a handful of cars so we were always in the road playing football or on our bikes. Now it's bumper to bumper with cars parked up and fairly busy traffic wise. As much as people can go on about paedophiles and abduction - the biggest danger to...

Don't know about in the States but you can get away with a lot here claiming self defence if you can convince a judge you felt suitably threatened.

who's we? I think both are ludicrous doctrines but defend peoples right to follow both as long as it's not to the detriment of others. Obviously there are those who cross a line and I'll condemn them as much as the next person.

blame Jimmy Hill if its late

a quick read of your posts on this thread proves that statement is bullshit. You may be appalled by the crime but you were quick to try and use it to push your agenda. Petty point scoring means more to you than genuine empathy for the victim.

can you point to one post on this tread where someone has tried to defend the culprits? Attacking your ill informed agenda driven rhetoric is not the same as defending the people responsible for this crime although you obviously don't have the ability to understand that.

my mum did and she is 2nd generation Irish first generation Cov so it must have been a local expression.

does anyone actually know the ethnic background or religion of the perpetrators? To me it's irrelevant. What I do know is they are absolute scum, and where they're from or what they believe in makes no difference to me, they're lower than vermin.

can't you just condemn this appalling act without your nauseating wave of political point scoring?

expect that to be a CET headline within the next week.

I don't think I'm being wound up because the person who said it to me didn't say it was definitely happening or heard it from a good source they just said they'd heard it and that was it. Like I said, I've been pretty much off grid all weekend so just asked if anyone else has heard anything. It...

that was my reply to my mate who text me the day before we signed Joe Cole to tell me he was on his way!!

just that we're signing him. Got back from the sticks and had to phone someone on about something and while we were chatting they said there are rumors City are signing Agbonlahor. I've been fairly off grid all weekend so the first I've heard.

been away for the weekend and returned to hear there are rumours we are signing him. Anyone heard anything? Would have thought if there was anything in it there would have already have been a thread on here.