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We’re all just staring at shadows on the wall mate.

There’s so many moving parts though, they don’t get rent but they do get more chance to book conferences and whatever. I honesty don’t know how it all works out. It could be that by the time everything’s accounted for it’s not a massive revenue stream. It all depends on so much. That’s why I’m...

Funny you should mention that. I did hear a whisper that Sisu were asking for part ownership during negotiations. Nothing reliable, but would also give a reason for Sisu to play hardball if they felt Wasps were in a worse situation than last year. Which would also explain why Sisu went back to...

No. If you were a CCFC fan you’d think that. If you were a bond holder you’d see the attempt to mitigate a large risk at very little cost. I’ll ask the same question. If not cold finance, why do you think Wasps are acting how they are?

I won’t pretend to know about rugby enough to say what happens. I’m basing this of OSBs comments around how the uncertainty around the Ricoh will affect refinancing. If they are in trouble then that just makes it even more vital doesn’t it? I need a remortgage a lot more when Big Dave is about...

Can you honestly not see the difference to a bond holder between dodgy accounts and a few hundred upset football fans? Really?

What has any of this got to do with anything? Jesus mate stick to a point. What’s your explanation for Wasps current actions? If according to you Sisu have agreed to everything they wanted and being seen as the bad guy is so terrible for them. Why not just fold? Get some cash in? Be a hero?

Only if you keep the Ricoh (or aren’t fined/sued for Ricoh sized amounts). Otherwise it’s worth nothing.

If I were a bond holder I’d be very happy with Wasps current position. Besides the discussion was about how pissing off CCFC fans didn’t impact share price. And you’ve gone on about accounts.

But we’ve known that since last year. We knew that before negotiations started. No one has been strung along. I said at the start I couldn’t see a deal for this reason, until all legal avenues are exhausted, or there’s a Legally binding resolution from Sisu to stop future legals nothing changes...

What the fuck? I’ve not made anything up about you? The only time I talk about you with Dad it goes like this. Him: “That Nicks a twat” Me: “Yeah he can be frustrating but he’s alright really” Him: “Still think he’s a Twat” Me: “Ok Dad” Jesus. I’ve made a fairly benign point about how CCFC...

Put a number on it. What do you reckon the bad PR costs Wasps, is it more or less than they stand to lose/gain from the Ricoh saga? I'm not sure what there is to 'get'? Either it's more than the damage for the Ricoh and Wasps are acting irrationally, or it's not and they aren't. You seem to...

As always, I'm not giving my opinion on whether they should care, just my opinion on whether they seem to. I can see why the Ricoh has more of an impact on their bottom line than CCFC fans feelings though. Surely you can see that? I don't see the economic imperative for them to reach a deal...

Had no idea. Do we have any evidence that their stock price is affected by CCFC fan's feelings? Did previous actions move it? I can see how we'd hope so, just looking for some evidence. Seems the Ricoh ownership is far more important than CCFC fans liking them to me. Happy to see evidence to...

I've not moved the goal posts Nick. I can't make this any clearer: When Andy Goode (or anyone who is not a lawyer) says thing like 'stop suing Wasps' or when Wasps or the council talk about 'dropping legals' that should be taken as a generic phrase meaning 'drop all attempts to reverse the...

Welcome, I've been there for about four years. Join me in demanding progress on a new ground. I was simple explaining how the confusion between 'suing Wasps' and 'legals' and whatever else is a distraction from the main point. Pointless pedantry that doesn't prove someone is trying to mislead...

Hahaha. Fuck it. Live by pedantry die by pedantry: there’s no question mark in that post Nick. He’s not asking anything. I couldn’t give a flying fuck if he’s contradicting himself. My entire point was about Knowl et al missing the point. Give me a minute and I’ll do close read if you’re really...

Very simple. Except that’s not what Wasps asked for. They wanted a wider ranging agreement that would restrict the clubs legal rights against third parties too, right? You can think it’s worth staying away for five years to avoid giving away those legal rights, that’s a genuine disagreement...

Ive got no opinion on the club “pulling out” until we see more. Could be Wasps knew and intentionally let the deadline pass, could be Wasps thought the deadline didn’t mean the end of negotiations, just that they’d start the season in Brum, could be that Wasps didn’t know. None sound...

No. I’m the only one addressing the thread rather than using it as an other opportunity to take their frustration out on someone who disagrees. My point, from the start, is that to say “aha Wasps aren’t being sued!” Isn’t helpful. No technically this is true. However the overarching issue is...