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I mean not having to work his way up the leagues. Debut at 16. Transfer to Utd at 18 for a massive fee. More medals than a war hero. All he knew was success and adulation. I'm not saying he didn't earn all that. I'm saying he hasn't known adversity or lack of success. Until now. He may become...

Used to go with my lad. They were always good fun. Remember one they had at some random health club during the Sixfields season. Callum Wilson and Leon Clarke asked him to play FIFA with them but he refused. I still mention that now.

Which is a hangover from his playing career and my whole point at the beginning of the thread. Everything in his playing career fell into his lap. He obviously expects the same in his managerial career.

I do too, but he needs to swallow his pride and start in non-league or L2. He's not even 40, so he has plenty of time. Every lower league chairman would kill for the revenue and associated publicity he would bring their club.

Exactly this. Just what I was trying, and failing, to explain.

Different manager, same average players.

I remember, fondly as it happens, at the end of the 84/85 season when we had to win our last three games, the final match against the Champions, to ensure our survival. We did it and it was bloody great! As you said we've had some shocking times recently. What's happening now is nothing...

Absolutely. In my 50 years of supporting this club I have witnessed some dire periods. All relative, I know, but things ain't so bad.

I don't get it either. Like all players he has off games and fucks up every now and then but overall I've been impressed with him.

I think he will become a very good player for us. At the halfway stage of the season he's got the 3rd most assists in the Championship.

Saw him in a pre-season friendly at Racing Club Warwick. He was unplayable. Would have been an immense player.

I'm filling up here just reading the lyrics:

Excuses, excuses.

Yeah, and he's a shit player in a shit team. I don't buy into the "Poor Ben" field of thinking. Even when those better players were around him he was forever giving the ball away or misplacing passes. He's never been as good as a few on here would have us believe.

Blimey. How things can change in three minutes.

Shocking first half. Pleased I'm taking January off from travelling away. Would be fuking travelling all that way to watch that shite.

You can't this season. If you remember those who wanted Robins out said they didn't mind if there wasn't any improvement with the new guy.

Yep, just watched again and you're spot on. Good keeping.

Dovin. WTF. Dreadful so far.

I hate the white kit.