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Posted about this in another thread, its all very odd. The police seem to imply it was suicide. If thats the case why was Lucas there? Then you add in that painkillers played a part and Lucas admits removing them from the scene. Something very wrong about this.

It reads to me as financial issues with the companies being taken over not in Manhattan funding the takeover.

Most people on here are loyal to the football club. You seem to regularly side with Wasps and CCC over the interest of CCFC.

Can't imagine why. You would have thought they'd have snapped ACLs hand off when they offered to sell us matchday revenues for £24m :facepalm:

You can't fly direct to Vegas from Birmingham can you? I don't know how you can do this accidentally. I can see someone making a mistake on dates or something like that but this is just odd. If nothing else an internal flight would have been far cheaper, that would set alarm bells off for me.

It's the inquest into the death of the council deputy leader Phil Townshend today. Some unbelievable stuff coming out.

The council could still have a big say on the future of the club. If SISU, or any future owner, do actually decide a new stadium is required and try to build it council cooperation will be needed. Does it not worry you that pretty much every bit of evidence available going back well before SISU...

Excellent piece from David Conn http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/26/hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades

Hang on thats not quite wha you said.

There's no evidence to suggest that there was a large number of fans without tickets. In fact Liverpool still had tickets available the day before the game so its not like there would be thousands of people who hadn't been able to get one. Also when they examined the video footage they worked...

it's probably the most appropriate place. As far as the memorial garden goes the important thing for me is that it remains totally separate from anything Wasps do to the Ricoh. If and when we move it should come with is.

Well if you want to concentrate on the Manhattan bid then lets look at it. On one side you have Elliot. Given his role at the time it is highly unlikely he was involved in the negotiations. He has made the claim about interest rates. Nobody else before or since has mentioned anything even...

That's was 50% of ACL, we were supposed to have 50% of the whole thing i.e.: the freehold.

Land for development is a red herring. Mutton had a go at Manhattan for not wanting to develop land around the Ricoh and also had a go at Shapiro because they did want the land!

They claimed it has always been a rule that players who left before the end of the season couldn't win.

Agreed, I have very little interest in the preliminary and group rounds.

Anyone going to get their free coffee?

Never watched this. Are they standalone series or is it best to go back to series 1?

How much information do you need to draw the only logical conclusion? Right from the time CCC went back on their word and grabbed 100% of the Ricoh rather than splitting it with the club there has been numerous people / organisations who have not been able to deal with the council. Manhattan...