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there was a bit of ambiguity in Johnsons statement regarding indoor events but I'd be surprised if gigs go ahead just yet. If you're a virus it must be your dream to be carried into a shouting, singing, rammed sweaty mosh pit..

mate I never thought you were been rude, you always keep the debate civil, (more than me if I'm honest!)

going by the excess deaths, even knock 20 percent off for the reasons you've stated then yes, definitely.

Undoubtedly that will account for some of the excess deaths, I'm certain you're right and someone is going to have to unravel the numbers but it's still the best indicator.

no one said its 100 percent accurate but it's still the best indicator we have.

your missing the point, if the death rate is the same but Covid deaths is for example 20,000 and flu deaths are down by 15,000 then yes, that would suggest there's been some mis-recording but we have, I think, in the region of 60,000 excess deaths, if it's not Covid what is it?

and if there's one fan base who should be able to deal with playing in a stadium thats only 30% full it's us.

we've discussed this on here before, yes, there are cases where Covid has been given as cause of death incorrectly, that's been proven, , but there have also been proven cases where it was the cause but something else was put on the death certificate. That's why excess deaths is still the best...

I just see many of them jumping in to bed with the, I won't say far right, but the right on several issues. It started with Brexit, and OK, that was a unique issues with people from all parts of the spectrum on both sides but since then i'm seeing more and more of it. In addition to that total...

what makes you think they'd do something about it?

exactly, look what happened after Cheltenam. I'm desperate to get back to normal but I hope the stringent measures which have been mentioned (bars shut, toilets shut at half time, distancing in grounds, no away fans), are in place so we can watch the game and get the season completed and not...

she's renounced her actions but it's clearly PR. She should be tried as an adult.

my wife took payments by a mix of cash and card reader prior to Covid but it's all gone bank transfer now though she had one old dear last week who washed 2 fivers and put them in a zip lock bag to pay her bless her!

it's not a joke, but any system that's put in place to help people or protect people will occasionally benefit unsavoury characters. It may turn out that she's a Bangladeshi citizen in which case the government will be on solid ground by removing UK citizenship, hopefully that's the case.

but countries aren't allowed to leave citizens stateless and there's a good reason for that. I think she's an appalling human being no matter how young she is, but i'm not defending her, I'm defending the rule of law and due process.

your second statement is correct but it has no bearing on your first. There's a good reason why it's illegal to leave citizens stateless. A functioning democracy can't administer law on an adhoc basis.

I think it's unworkable to be honest to I'm sure they'll find a way if they really want to.

cash will be the next thing to go.

my is a hairdresser B, the measures they've put in place are very stringent. My wife has to wear a visor, unfortunately it's see through, a welders mask would be better!

I fucking hate the tories and the right, I've given Starmer a chance but I fucking hate him and his bunch of tory enabling centrist wankers and am at breaking point with the left for a whole multitude of reasons. Am I on the verge of uttering a phrases I've always despised - they're all as bad...