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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Germany's power base is the Euro where over 60% of the currency was the DM. We are not in the Euro and have no say there. In the EU we do have a say, but we do cannot dictate any more than Germany can. I don't know what we have got through that we wanted, but I am sure that some points were...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It was fitting that in his 'moment in the sun' he blatantly lied again in saying, that no-one there had had a proper job in their life. He couldn't possibly know that and it was fact checked that nearly every other speaker on that day had had a job or a business. The wanker sign was an...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Tbf no-one knows if the long term aim will be achieved, but I have seen the improvements and the increase of wealth for at least some regions of these poorer countries. This happened relatively quickly and these people buy our goods. Take beer and cider for example. The best selection of English...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The EU has drastically improved the infrastructure of these countries - something they could never have afforded. That gives them a chance to become more efficient and therefore less weak. The idea is that their economies grow to even out the differences. To stay merely as a trading block would...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There is obviously plenty wrong, but not everything is wrong. The biggest problem is getting 28 countries with widely different views to act together. Despite that, we need to act together as a block in present day circumstances. A dilemma which won't be solved by brexit. The weaker countries...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I have nothing against a protest vote against an elite. You can always vote someone else next time if you so wish. This is, however, a fundamental and existential question - a one off - and as such should have handled by our democratically elected parliament. It is so complex, you cannot reduce...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Some people must have made a packet ( others a loss of course ).
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So, did you read the whole article or just the headline? There was plenty of caution there.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The a Yawn..
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Out of interest, the EU is meeting in Bratislava in September. If....they commit themselves to more transparency, more democracy, controls to stop benefit tourism and so on, then make an offer of basically what Cameron and other critical nations wanted, and then present it to parliament. Would...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The difference being that the failure of Cameron's negotiations was known befor the vote. The backtracking on leave promises only started after they had won.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, because we don't have proportional representation on general elections - not very democratic.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Well, that is a personal anecdote. Others may well have believed the BS. We will never know how many, but if it was only a million out of 17 million, that was enough to swing it. They certainly wrote it big letters on a bright red double decker bus and travelled all over with it. They obviously...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, because the result wasn't based on regional decisions. It was recorded by region though. If the regional results had counted then Scotland would still be in Europe in all probability ( after England had left ).
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What are you on? Farage is a populist. Look it up in a dictionary. I said we shouldn't have had a referendum as referenda are easier to swing - by populists such as Farage - than whole parliaments. We elect the parliament and this referendum is not binding on Parliament. Parliament has to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, it seems he won't be allowed near the negotiations and as to his behaviour in the EU parliament when he claimed that they had never had proper jobs - that was a blatant populist lie. Some MEPs maybe, but most have had had outside work/ business experience. He is a one horse populist. He has...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think that a significant protest vote, but overall remain would have been better. I also think that the migration capping and the 350m a month to the NHS decided it for many voters. They were conned as it seems that there is backtracking on both counts. It doesn't mean they were racists...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Who has called you a bigot?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You are now telling me my opinion. I chose to ask about Toxteth seeing as it was a leave vote and they won overall. Murdoch's crap papers do influence opinion - one reason he has them. Yes he is pleased. People are influenced by the media and it doesn't mean they are imbeciles and cannot form an...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I asked you whether the person from Toxteth will be better off. You're the one saying he is stupid. The man in the Gorbals may see Europe differently because the Tory anti Europeans in Scotland are in the minority and their Brussels bashing hasn't hit home there. London and the South East -...
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