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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I have been accused of being Anti-UK, but it is the leavers who have inadvertly brought the Break up of the UK into the debate. If that happens, they must shoulder the blame for just another consequence of their shortsighted voting.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You mean the City, the youth, the exporters, the employers and the people who have twigged that they were conned into voting for the elite whilst they thought they were voting against public schoolboy rule?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    1. leave campaign may not have been solely about immigration, but a lot of people voted believing it would stop immigration or reduce it. 2. some people are racists - I was in the West End when city fans through banannas and shouted 'Zulu' at black players. They probably voted leave based on...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In reverse, my daughter is getting snide comments at school about England flying out of Europe twice - she is only half English. She is in England next term - we'll see what snide comments she gets there for being half German - if any.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In this case it is not a Godwin as the last Referenda here were indeed held by Hitler and his propaganda press manipulated the voters. AfD want a German Referendum over Dexit. The modern comparison - also with our results is in this Referendum which is a Game changer - is relevant. Murdoch's...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, I was beaten up and robbed for being a Wessi in 1991 in Rostock ( you could recognise Wessis by their clothing then as the shops in East Germany were selling old stock which noone in the West would buy ). Those people were right wing skinhead groups - compiled of losers of the 'Wende'...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Almost happened in Cologne. The right wing nut just got 14 years for attempted murder of the mayor.. The brexit anti migration platform has given the closet racists confidence and they are insulting not just EU migrants. These people were always amongst us - the difference is that well known...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The guy is, or almost is, a Nazi. His opponent is a decent guy and I think the Austrians will kick Hofer into touch. BoJo and Hove are mild in comparison. The shockwaves will only be felt if he wins. The error was a technical error in counting postal votes, and no manipulation was found. So...
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    Euro 2016 big thread

    It seems that the underdog has a pyschological advantage. They do not have the arrogance of a well paid 'star' - even Bale who is a well paid star. Bale is just one of the lads/ team and doesn't pretend to be better ( he is, but stays with the non stars ). They play for each other. Wales made...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, as Hesseltine says:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36677623
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The sticking points for the poor people doing the leg work will be free movement of labour and a passport for financial services for the city. The EU wants free movement and 'we' don't and the City will lose it's importance if we cannot do a deal for the financial services ( Frankfurt - and to a...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We will see, but the fact that NI and Scotland voted to remain means that they won't accept the vote as a mandate to leave. The EU critics are watching this debacle as are their voters. Makes a good case for others not to leave the EU. Do you mean that Boris' demise at the hands of Gove is only...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    My geographical positon is irrelevant - I come from Cov and what I say is what I am observing. Politically everything is falling to bits - put the TV on or read a paper. I mentioned Boris being stabbed in the back.... You describe this as "you cannot have losers remaining in power". Have fun...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I would disagree. Juncker is the main reason for discontent in the EU ( sneaking things in through the back door ) and he must go, but the farce that is unfolding in the UK is frightening others from doing the same. Look at the fate of Boris ( et tu Brutus? Comes to mind ). He led, with Farage...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What a mess! Turkeys voted for Christmas....
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Well, she cannot personally alter the rules. These things should have been mentioned in the debate beforehand. Why haven't the leavers planned for this before campaigning to leave? She is quoting rules which were in place before the campaign started - as far as I know. The U.K. Voted - knowing...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, not surprised. He would not want to be the one to trigger article 50, and if things looked bad, he couldn't exactly make a U turn after all the BS he used to get us out.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I don't know how you judge that. What are the average wage statistics? The old or people living in the country are usually the ones who lose out and the young benefit. The young being the future - so although the old may be losing now, the future should get better. Even in East Germany ( the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I have already said that Greece should never have been accepted into the Euro and yes, it was Theo Waigel who told them how to fiddle the books to get in.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is why we are out. But that is very shortsighted as we all live in the same region and what is good for the poorer countries is indirectly good for us.
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