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And you are supporting a policy driven solely by a belief that they will vote the “right” way.

The last Labour government wanted regional government but the idea wasn’t particularly popular. They tried to move toward it by stealth by reorganisation of public services on a regional rather than district basis. Why should English regions be “levelised“ with devolved nations. They would be...

Not this issue. I just don’t think 16 and 17 year olds are mature enough or have enough experience of life to be given the vote. As I have said elsewhere, if they are mature enough then make the age of majority 16 and be done with it. That would include sending 16 year olds to be killed on the...

Of Course I’m not proposing that the unmarried or those how can’t drive shouldn’t be allowed to vote. And of course you are not giving an answer to the questions I asked - should 16 year olds be able to marry without parental permission, drive a car or a lorry, be regarded as an adult if...

Well, the Labour Party certainly aren’t .

Interesting idea, presumably sack the House of Lords?

Wasn’t it the independent electoral commission who was asking for voter ID for years? Do you believe everything that Rees-Mogg says? Especially without considering the context in which he said it?

Where have I said that?

On your revised argument, should 16 year olds be able to marry without parental permission, drive a car or a lorry, be regarded as an adult if arrested for a crime. Should child benefit and child maintenance stop at 16 as they are not children? If it“s a question of maturity, then go the whole...

Will he vote, or will you do it for him? No 16 year olds have fully developed the rational part of the brain. A minority of adults have lost that ability so not really a valid comparison, Votes for 16 year olds is absolutely fucking ridiculous and to introduce it would be gerrymandering. There...

Probably wouldn’t be capable of voting in that case.

You said if you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough to vote. Under 18s need parental permission to sign up to the armed forces. If they can’t be trusted to make that decision, why entrust them with a vote. They can’t be sent to the front line below 18, so your argument is...

16 year olds can’t be sent to a “front line”, so aren’t old enough to die for their country. 13 year olds can work, and if they earn enough pay tax on it, Should they be able to vote? Your rationale is rubbish,

And plenty of shit too,

Is that really relevant today. Different situation, totally different individuals. Even then, we had dodgy dossiers, raid on private pension, selling off gold reserves. Wales is a measure of current Labour incompetence.

I keep asking what evidence there is that Labour will be competent. Look at Wales. Of course, no one has provided any evidence - because there is none.

Who are you talking about? Starmer hasn’t spent his entire working life in public service. He was a barrister earning a fortune before becoming DPP. It was a good job his toolmaker father lived in Reigate Grammar School catchment area.

The opposite of honest is dishonest.Not all dishonesty is lying. Failure to disclose hidden costs is not lying but it is dishonest. Failure to answer questions about hidden costs is not being open. Not giving the real reason for extending the vote to 16 year olds is dishonest. I said that...

Interestingly, I wonder that too. My was to your statement “’m worried about how many still naively believe that even 50% of drivers adhere to basic regulations.” Speed limits in built up areas are basic regulations, I’m genuinely not sure how I have misconstrued what you said / meant.

Whu do so many people on here not read properly. I haven’t said they are lying per se. There is lying, and there is not being open and honest. Acts of omission if you like. All of Streetings back peddling saying that of course manifesto doesn’t include the full costs of their plans, it’s a...