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And there's a lot of truth in it, but I'm a working class man and I have absolutely nothing in common with the tory party, they have contempt for me and do not have my best interests at heart.

not at all, to me you've made it clear what Labour have done wrong, and it's valid enough, what you haven't made clear is what the tories have done right, or what you think other people have perceived they've done right as you yourself voted Labour.

so you don't think the Northern Alliance party has a chance then?!

who knows, there are claims of 120k, I doubt that's true but I know there was something like 45k excess deaths during one phase of it, (think it was a two or three year period), there's all sorts of reports linking cuts to deaths including suicide due the benefits being either cut or withdrawn...

lets hope it stays like that.

fucks sake mate, come on. Security? 20k police gone, 20k police civilian support workers gone. Education, 10 years of cuts and now Gavin Williamson in charge. It doesn't make sense.

I honestly believe that the worse thing to happen to working class, low paid people in recent times was austerity, it literally killed thousands of them, this is why I struggle with the concept of working class people voting tory. I can accept the turning away from Labour.

you haven't. You've explained why not Labour, but not why tory.

so even if you believe that why would people vote tory? Do people genuinely believe they give a toss about the working classes?

You keep saying this and to some extent it's true, but the party has gone from Blair/Brown to Corbyn to Starmer, not sure you can make a sweeping generalisation on the party throughout that 25 year period considering how different those leader are/were. And I keep asking this but if Labour have...

lets leave it now, it's not fair when there's no one here to defend him. Where is @covcity4life ?

Unless someone at your club did their accounts I'm not sure how they can blame you.

if Mowbray gets relegated with that team he needs a lifetime ban from football.

they're popping up every two minutes. The right wing ones are normally headed by some grifter claiming to have been 'cancelled' and the let wing ones normally have a keystone policy of independence for someones neighbourhood or street.

you're right about not getting rid of leaders and it's an unrealistic shout I'll admit but I can't see the next GE being anything but a disaster at the moment.

he's not doing fine. I don't know how you can say that. He's dreadful. You keep mentioning the vaccine program, when did it start, I can't remember if it was just before or just after Christmas but apart from a couple of early exchanges in PMQs he hasn't laid a glove on the tories since this...

every time someone criticises Starmer you start harping on about Corbyn and Burgon, I'm not sure what point you think it proves? Israel have done fantastically with their vaccine program yet it hasn't done Netanyahu much good, it's an easy excuse to make to try and distract from the fact that...

The Hyam challenge wasn't a bad challenge

I never got one of them! Bloody bastards!

Definitely not. In the same way I wouldn't have thought we were down if we'd loss. Nothings certain until its certain.