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Well in reality as grifter Zelensky thinks Ukraine should recover Crimea I don’t think so

It obviously isn’t beside the point. It is the point. Discussing something that’s never happening is an irrelevance. If Trump wins will the us continue the backing?

He won’t be doing that.

I want it to stop. Without talks it never will. Egging on the US to use it as a proxy playground is supporting death and destruction.

You want them to. And they will.

Tony and PVA should set up a YouTube channel on the war. They really are experts who I’m sure would gain global respect on the subject. Actually they should ring Putin direct. I’m sure he’d absorb the info and surrender.

Are you voting for Nigel again Tony?

But then anyone who lives in the uk and doesn’t pay taxes I assume should be excluded regardless of age?

Not really Tony You often refer to Eu and its countries of positive examples so who in those counties allows a vote at 16?

Yes so by the next elections Starmer can’t vote

Probably because they have better things to do. A lot of people aren’t.

You can have a baby at 13 but I doubt you’d be mature enough to parent it and you certainly won’t be provided adequate care. That’s a counter argument really

Well yes it is. Like everyone young will be seduced by short term votes - so offer the young free tuition fees and they will say yes please. They have no concerns over interest rates or mortgages - young people can be involved in politics without voting

Scotland returned a corrupt broken regime.

It’s totally out of sync with other countries and if you do why not make it 12 then? There has to be a political motivation - there is - and you are allowing people to make political decisions at an age they can’t even be considered mature enough to drive

There is no reason for lowering it - which is why hardly any western democracies have

There are hardly any countries that have 16 year old voting abs most that do are South American banana republics North Korea has 17 though None have a cap and I assume that you are then saying Jeremy Corbyn shouldn’t stand as he can’t also vote

Surely they are also discouraged from cerarisn as you need greater resource

Why don’t we let 14 year olds vote then?

That is of course what Farage wants.