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Id struggle to knock the kids at uni. They’re low risk and mixing with others who are low risk. As long as they are considerate when mixing with high risk/heading back home (and wear masks at supermarkets etc) then It will be difficult to ask for much more.

Not really at all. I’m not saying it’s anything to do with justifying elements of our response (which I’ve already indicated has been lacking in areas), I’m saying let’s not just accept/condone China’s behaviour. My original comment was due to language Shmmeee used to play down their conduct...

hmmm, I know they might have been ‘helpful’, I should think so ! i see their conduct as a little bit more serious I guess

‘Slow to admit’ is a bit of an understatement shmmeee. The cover up was disgraceful and has led to a worldwide issue that may (nobody will know for sure) have been containable. We have fucked up various things during the outbreak (as have a number of countries), but China’s behaviour is on a...

The furlough scheme was set up so businesses would retain staff to ensure a quick bounce back from the lockdown. There isn’t currently a lockdown so for example pubs and restaurants can operate, albeit under certain measures. There will be a lot of redundancies, no doubt about it, I suppose the...

Pretty disgraceful really. I was less than impressed when Johnson talked about people not following rules this week (as I think as a country we have followed measures pretty well overall, especially during lockdown) but guessing this is what he was talking about. Two caveats. I can’t imagine...

I won’t get into the whole testing discussion again. We should have a bit more capacity by now and I believe the government should be working on a referral system online or through 111 again (those with obvious Covid symptoms and/or that have been in close contact with someone who has Covid) not...

Appreciate what you’re saying but again this is where the governments messaging has been poor....it’s not that it’s suddenly dangerous to go to work (although for some jobs ie high/close public interaction ie supermarkets it is obviously a higher risk of contageon than others) unless you/your...

Sorry, missed the posts Fernando. What’s the reasoning ?

Im not a fan of sticking stuff on here without proper evidence/being able to back it up, so do take this with a pinch of salt/in the spirit it is being shared. It appears to be similar to what I think was SBD (or was it Pete’s) mate and BSB were saying regarding a vaccine. Interesting read none...

Spot on. I don’t think there can be any reliable data on actual transmission, although maybe reasonable guesstimates. All they can say is due to close proximity it’s riskier in some locations that others. For example even if there was an outbreak at work an infected individual might have caught...

I’m talking about the WFH/curfew stuff.

To be fair, this ‘U turn’ stuff is nonsense. The virus has spiked, measures need to be taken. When it dips, relax the measures. It’s happening all over the world.

Agreed. Having said that I think the recent spike infection seemed to also coincide/start with some not so good weather 2-3 weeks back (and then bank hols) whereby I’m guessing more people were inside than in beer gardens/outside for bbqs etc (for full disclose purposes I’m saying this as...

I don’t think there’s epidemiological evidence for a fair few of the decisions made to date by ours and a lot of other countries. Let’s see, if people follow the rules (in particular the piling back to the house one) it might work but the country will be divided on this point. My ex is saying...

Possibly but I’m with Hill in this, most of the breaking of rules happens after 11/midnight. I don’t see everyone starting earlier and getting in the same state. This in conjunction with stricter rules implemented at bars/pubs (got to be enforced), and stopping people all piling back round...

Yeah, you do have to wonder ! I also have to wonder that if in most countries only 40% are downloading the apps and you need 80% for them to be effective, why we’ve bothered with one at all anyway

Haha, like it ! think this is all tied to your phone though, which has app on. Like everything probably open to abuse but that’s where the public have to take some responsibility in all this

I guess it’s because it’s very hard to be 100% sure where someone’s caught it. They’ll have a very good idea though. The surveillance report indicates the locations for the track and trace but not then who tested positive (that step would be useful and surely not difficult to do)

100%. Gone a bit quieter on the app but hoping it will be part of Johnson’s misery announcement later in the week. Read it has a QR scanner you scan when you go into certain locations which should mean more useful data, highlight hot spots etc.