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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is an article about Muslim immigration and not free movement of EU citizens, which these countries' own citizens benefit from.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Stop exagerating the rise of fascism and start critising it then. That would give you a more balanced appearance, but you tend to laud up the success of right wing shit. As does Grendel. No, it isn't a guaranteed disaster to leave the EU, but I cannot see the benefits ( don't come with the old...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No it hasn't. The second biggest party in Germany is the SPD. They have joined with Merkel to keep a strong and stable government. 87,5% of German voters don't want this Farage endorsed fascist AFD crap.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The EU is negotiating with us. We are supposed to have settled these things - citizens rights - before we move on. Citizens' rights being extremely important. More important than tariffs etc.. At least they are for the EU. Maybe not press barons elitist MPs etc.. Yes, it is a disgrace that I...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, but what about rights, benefits etc.? And why not put that in writing? I don’t trust them anyway and have my appointment tomorrow to hand in my forms and documents for German citizenship ( there was a long waiting list ). I then have to wait another couple of months whilst they make...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Fact check on 80bn trade deficit: The UK’s trade deficit with the EU We gain more for our 10bn than it costs. Largely through services. We also have full employment and are still a major economy as a result of membership. Are you claiming the referendum was people deciding based on economic...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What is progress? I have always said no one knows how this will turn out. It may succeed, but at the moment, it is looking more likely to be a cock up. People are no longer mentioning would be economic benefits or clear political benefits. The emphasis is on blaming the EU for housing and NHS...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There are 27 governments and 450 million people in the EU and you quote one minister under pressure from a growing racist party in his country as evidence of a movement against free movement. The general point stands.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The EU Commission is the civil service and Juncker is elected by an electoral college of the EU Council and confirmed by the EU Parliament. Who elected the UK head of the civil service? The EU Parliament or Council pass the laws. We are members of the parliament and council.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So we are leaving, putting the city at risk, creating problems in Ireland etc. in order to help African farmers at The possible expense of our own? And you are upset about the fishing industry? Sounds like a great plan Boldrick.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    One minister from 27 countries. Also interesting in what he said: „In a separate development, Asscher said that the Netherlands will block any trade deal with the U.K. post-Brexit that does not require the latter to sign up to stringent tax-avoidance rules.“ Now that is more like it...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes. They choose whether they want to pool their sovereignty and don’t let some other country tell them if they can or cannot pool sovereignty. The can always leave the EU at a later date and are therefore sovereign in that scenario. At the moment Scotland is not a sovereign state.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In a recent spell. There are however lots of caveats and potentially negative aspects from the Brexit saga which could effect the pound. The reports also mentioned inflation outstripping wage increases and full employment. Exactly as I have been saying. The pound is still only 1.14 as compared...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We export large amounts to the EU. Overfishing of certain types has reduced stocks. We have full employment. How come earnings are still not keeping up with inflation? It cannot be because of over supply of labour. You will see how fruit and veg prices rise when there are no staff to harvest it.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Of course we can survive outside the EU. The quality of survival is the question. If we try it for 20 years and we end up being worse off... as seems likely at this moment in time.... how can we explain that to our children? Sorry about that people? Oh, pity about the GFA..... sorry that we have...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You just have to see the comments like „money isn’t everything“ and compare them with „sailing into a glorious sunset“ and „global Britain“ to see that expectations are going down and the excuses are being prepared. The Irish question has really showed the naivety of Brexit voters and the trade...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Millions more will not be coming whatever happens. The Eurozone is picking up and there is a limit to how many people wish to emigrate. With the pound falling against the Euro there will be less incentive to come to the UK.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes. Freedom of movement is great. No one else is complaining about it. Just the UK. I suspect the NHS, schools and housing have been neglected because of austerity.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Well you are in for a great disappointment. Trade rules and work permit rules will apply with whoever you are trading with. Apart from that, which rules are forced on you which cause you personally any problems? Guaranteed paid holidays, freedom of movement, working hours, environmental rules...
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