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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    And there are people on here who maintain that both sides have lied equally. Experts can make mistaken predictions on not yet known events, remain got some things wrong and some things can still happen, but the government had access to the rules and regulations of the EU and the EU had laid out...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    „The minister responsible for cutting income support for the poor, Iain Duncan Smith, lives on an estate owned by his wife's family. During the last 10 years it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers. How much more obvious do these double standards have to be before we begin to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    This racket is perhaps the strongest of all arguments for leaving the European Union, but the Brexiters’ silence resounds. Among the 13 Conservative MPs who signed an open letter last week undertaking not to cut subsidies for owning or leasing land if Britain leaves the union was Iain Duncan...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Daily Mail: Daily Mail editor received £88,000 in EU subsidies in 2014 Estates owned by Eurosceptic Paul Dacre have benefited from at least £460,000 of EU agriculture money since 2011
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    E.g. Dyson: EU farming subsidies: One in five biggest recipients are billionaires and millionaires on the UK rich list Sir James Dyson's farming business was the biggest private recipient of EU basic payments in the UK in 2016, receiving £1.6 million, Greenpeace says
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    They landowners, even those supporting Brexit, are happy enough to continue the system after Brexit with direct payments from them UK.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In the future.... they want to continue hand outs after Brexit... then they will be direct.., I said „ only difference „ meaning difference to getting payouts from the EU..
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes. I have not said that the UK pays direct.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Dramatic statements that when analysed have a basis of truth, but are exaggerated to make a point. You say that over half the money goes to rich landowners. Not quite. There are conditions attached, but it is true there are people just riding the gravy train. Some of these people are already...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I assume I am right as the said people are already asking for a continuation of sisbsidies. It would be unusual for only a few to want to keep money. The point is that these people slag the EU on the one hand for giving money to projects, but have made it clear that they want their hand outs to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You just said you shouldn’t believe headlines. You are now making your own up.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The EU is a receiving office according to international patent law.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Great. 500 million people in a trade bloc are toothless, but you want to take on China with 65 million.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    People including the editor of the DM , Dyson and IDS are not remainers and want the subsidies they receive to continue post Brexit. Don’t single remainers out as being the only receivers of farming subsidies. And don’t believe the situation will end after Brexit. It may change in some ways, but...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There is an EU patent office in Munich which looks after EU patents.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I agree, don’t just read the headlines ( e.g. „the sky blues new home“ by Les Reid ). My experience of occasionally reading the Mail or Express ( and others ), is that the headline is usually rabid to make you really angry - on subjects like this. The next 2 or 3 sentences confirm what you read...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No doubt. The question being how long will it take to adjust our production and to negotiate trade deals to replace those with EU. How favourable will these be in comparison to what we have now? We could sell more already, but we don’t because we don’t have a large manufacturing sector, or the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, well it is distributed by the member states. They decide who gets what according to the rules. What would happen if you scrapped it completely? Not all the money is given for the one purpose of paying landed gentry. I suspect there are good reasons for regulating food production in some...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I thought we had agreed a system regarding the divorce bill. The two open questions are to do with citizens rights. May has agreed on those of migrants for the transition period and the EU is waiting for a workable border proposition on Ireland to come from the UK. The EU has already accepted...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The word „scandal“ would suggest that I am not defending it, although the subject is probably not as simple as it looks.
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