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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We don’t know what happened. Or why nothing apparently did. Who is not allowed to question the EU? The EU has a parliament. The EU will do something. No way can they avoid it. Germany has more influence than most as it has 80million of the 500 million and ca 90 MEPs. We also had influence 11...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Where I have I been untruthful? The targets were based on false facts and are now difficult or impossible to reach in the shorter term. I said, probably, because of Dieselgate. The 11 countries may have an argument in their appeal and should be listened to. Bazza says they should all be...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That is why we should now listen to the arguments about targets. The emission pollution is already higher than thought, which makes it harder to reach the lower targets in the original time frame. But some will still complain about the EU interfering by setting the EU targets in the first...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s news about the UK sweeping it under the carpet. Who claimed that?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No, nothing about the appeal by 11 countries was specific to the UK.. What was somewhat interesting, is how you turn the EU listening to the arguments of the 11, including the UK, now proves how bad the EU is. You even want them sanctioned, including the UK. A bit contradictory of leavers who...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Germany is one of eleven. What makes you think that Germany ( the state ) is not protecting consumers? The Diesel Affair is ongoing. Apart from the consumers being ripped off, the consumers paid less road tax based on CO2 Emissions. The Finanzministerium is not happy at that.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Germany is one of 11 countries asking for a change in targeting. Britain is another. The criticism from Bazza was that they should all be sanctioned. Britain is leaving because of EU interference in „our sovereignty“. I asked Bazza about Britain because he is one criticizing the EU for being too...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The article was about the EU rules regarding targets.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I presume so.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The argument being that diesel is causing more damage than was known at the time the EU targets were set. The aims should be set higher to allow for this. ( not necessarily my view ), but what was quoted in the article.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I didn’t single the UK out. I said that the Brexiteers wouldn’t like being sanctioned and you said „sanction them“. The countries include the UK. Their argument is that the full effects of diesel were not known. One reason being that the car manufacturers manipulated tests. Seems like a good point.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Barnier is the appointed negotiator and working to his brief. His brief was agreed by all 27 countries. All 27 will have to approve any deal he puts forward. How could he ignore his brief and make a deal without the approval of the 27? It is not possible. How was he slotted in? What cat has...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So you want the EU to sanction the UK. Despite the argument that diesel has now been proved to make the targets not possible ( according to the UK )?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I would guess the UK print media would say it was the trade unions. Too much power. Undemocratic. Led by communist/ socialist old men. Interfering in our governments through the Labour Party. Restricting our competitiveness by asking for higher wages and more employee protection regulations.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How do suggest the EU punishes sovereign states? There will be uproar from Brexiteers if the commission sanctions the UK for failing to reach targets. You know the excuses off by heart. Eurocrats. Unelected old men interfering in our country. More EU red tape. Sovereignty. Making our own laws...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I will reply anyway. Barnier is an appointed negotiator. He doesn’t have to be elected. All 27 heads of government and all MEPs are elected. Juncker was elected by the Council and confirmed by the MEPs. Oli Robbins, the one negotiating on our behalf on May‘s instructions wasn’t elected. May...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, we are well into blame the EU. We had 2 years to put a workable offer on the table. We now have the white paper as a starting point. But it is Barnier‘s intransigence that was the problem. Hague is comparing Macron to De Gaulle. France is now the main obstacle apparently. Why? Because he...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Ireland: The problem being alignment of regulations if we don’t want to be in the CU or SM or accept decisions of the ECJ. We are tariff free already, but what if we import from other countries which must pay EU tariffs and reexport to the EU via ROI? What if our trade deals have different/...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. Panic was quoted by your mentor, and I was answering his point.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You appear to follow him more extensively than anyone else I come into contact with. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk If you have signed up to things, you have already negotiated. If you agree it a second time by accepting the acceptance, then there is no way out. Which is what we have done.
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