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I'm not sure your figures are quite right, but ACL weren't 'pocketing' those F&B revenues, they were sold them. By the club. And if they were making a huge, excessive profit out of the club, where is this reflected in ACL's books? I think you might have also missed out interest payments and...

Right. See what you're saying. Maybe they meant the 03/04 accounts. To be honest, I don't think it's as big an error as the one about the club owning the Arena site, when in fact they only owned the option. Fwiw, I didn't use the figures from the linked documents - but do you think it's more...

I think the complaint here isn't that it's truncated, potted or brief - I think it's that it's selective. In fact in one key aspect of your understanding, ownership of the land by CCFC, it's also simply wrong. I like anyone who's willing to bring real evidence to the table though, especially...

I'd say yes. Even at 1.2m, the break-even attendance to pay the rent is just 2,300. The rent was not the driving factor behind the debt that the club built up whilst at the Ricoh.

I'm a bit confused here - this game was supposed to be at Sixfields, right? http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/feat/ed16/city_u21s_remaining_home_game_venues_announced_822672/index.shtml As are some others there. All politics aside, given the already poor state of the pitch wouldn't it make...

In fairness to Torchy, I appreciate that he does at least try to validate his opinion with evidence. Ultimately I'm of the opinion that regardless of all of the history, we are where we are. Our current owner's biggest failing, in my eyes, is refusing to come back to the Ricoh under the...

The Times is wrong here Torchy, and forgive me but that's the key to a lot of the other stuff you've posted up, which again seems to imply that the council took the club for a ride without ever actually proving it. The club never owned the land - they bought an option to purchase the land...

Not quite sure what you're driving at here. I was making the point that the council hasn't sponged off the club, particularly in regard to building the arena. I think the accounts relating to the build prove that. The club never owned the land, just an option to buy which was about to lapse...

Good question. That excessive rent of £1.2m, what's the break even crowd for that per game? 2,300. Give or take (Based on 26 games @ £20/ticket). Maybe this is why SISU didn't see it as a priority. As for whether the Arena is failing or not without CCFC, I guess we'll see. But politely...

The thing is, the council put all of the money into purchasing the land. Then this 'profit', from selling the land to Tesco, which I think was in total around £20m was all used in the build of the arena, which in total came in at £118m. The council also put in another £10m towards the build...

Agree you didn't mention SISU, but you did say that the council have sponged off the club, and after a bit of consideration you seemed to think it was with regard to the land deal. I wondered if you could point out where?

Indeed, and I guess I was pointing out that that's a rather perverse approach to take - given that all the major stakeholders seem to be in favour of signing. Would you not agree?

Blimey Nick, PWKH agrees with it enough to sign, Fisher agrees with it enough to sign, Ainsworth agrees with it enough to sign. It would seem that all of the main protagonists want it signed - so there's no logic to the argument that people shouldn't sign because the petition is insufficiently...

Right, so you accept that the Council haven't made money out of the rent or the matchday revenues. Now it's just about the land deal. I've asked the relevant questions to that above, I think. But again, what profit did the council make out of the land deal? According to the books, not only...

According solely to Fletcher, who seems to claim that there was some king of agreement to give the club a share of the profit from the sale to Tesco, even though it was the council who bought the land. How would that agreement work exactly? How would that fit into the Council's legal duty to...

The money in rent goes to ACL, not the Council. ACL have never declared a dividend, so no money to the council as shareholders of ACL either. The club sold its matchday revenues (and its 50% share in ACL). So again, how much money have the Council sponged off the club?

I'm sorry, because I think we're going miles OT here, but once again there's this accusation that the council have sponged off the club (cash cow is usually the favoured phrase here, btw). How? What money, precisely, has Coventry City Council made out of the club since the Ricoh was built?

It's a fair point this, imho, about not buying players immediately. I guess we'll see the truth of the investment strategy in the close season. 10,000 is a great start on the petition, but maybe people are a bit war-weary now and don't want to hear the arguments any more. I don't know, but I...

"if the directors have wrongfully traded or committed a tax fraud or some other offence" Always a possibility that... there are certainly some questions I'd like to see answered, although they mostly relate to CCFC Ltd, in fairness.

I like the idea of safe standing - it might be the single, only upside to having a new stadium. (If it was going to happen, which it isn't). It's going to need FL & FA and Government buy in though. That's going to be like wading through treacle. Cold treacle. In flippers.