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Or the my-house massive!

Its good to hear that an innocent man could live his life free of persecution and with no label following him... Do your 'own opinions' exclude him from playing for a particular football club?

Ooooh nice warm thread.

As I say, I take your point. But interpretation of the law should be left to lawyers. You seemed to suggest earlier that should those lawyers not find in the way you find agreeable then there is room for your own verdict. We are not armed with all the nuances and detail of the case and yet it...

Talking of the acceptance of guilt and of people with the sir name Evans... I wonder if Timothy Evans, convicted of murder and again on appeal, accepted his guilt just before they hung him for a crime he didn't commit? Although I do take your point.

I agree. And if you look back at my posts on previous Evans threads you will see how I regard the man. I play devil's advocate because its an important subject and can easily end up with mobs and pitchforks.

You believe the collective view on conviction but not on appeal?

Accept his guilt whether actually guilty or not? Would you?

No... But the law is designed that way to protect the innocent.

So do I, do you not trust them to find it unsafe? Grendel refuses to get controversial? I will alert the press.

Yes. We were hypothesising about a successful appeal .

She would remain a victim in the sense that she has suffered but not, legally, a victim of Ched Evans. Are we saying that guilty is always guilty but innocent could still be guilty? Therin lies the lynchmob mentality. Do you trust the law or don't you? Or only when it suits?

Again though, playing devil's advocate... If he is found not guilty on appeal, he is no longer a criminal and she is no longer (legally) a victim of crime. Would it not follow that his refusal to apologise for a crime he did not commit would be vindicated? Are you saying that if he is found...

Did I say it was?

Just to play devil's advocate though... If he was, after all, innocent, she would cease to be a victim and his treatment of her following the 'event' might seem more understandable?

I wouldn't mind a team of players Chelsea don't rate.

Me too, right behind the goal in the West End. Some game.

For all we know SISU may well be asking TM to hurry up and get someone in for that reason.

This was my thinking. He will only get so far on name and reputation but when you only have poor wages and L1 footy to offer...

Well that's a relief... can we have our geniuses back now?