I've never slated any of those players. With all due respect I trust TM's opinion over yours. And to be fair to Fleck, he spent a lot of that time shackled by SP's restrictions.
And yet TM believes he is one the best players in the division. (In today's telegraph) Now let's see... who should I trust on this? A bloke on a forum or an experienced manager who watches him train every day? Hmm... tough call.
But NW is never wrong so I'm guessing you missed his nuances. He does like a nuance you see, it's like a get out of jail free card in any argument. Go back and have a look, I bet there's a nuance that's slipped past you.