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To me the main issue seems to be that the government are welded to American libertarian ideology. They cannot bear the thought of handing out money. Yet the risk of not doing so will be long term damage to every sector which will reduce tax revenue for years. There is this constant false choice...

Think you’ve summed up one of the main issues here with these two points. The effectiveness of every measure is drastically reduced by trying to keep a donor/influential sector happy. At some point somebody has to take a hit or every part of the economy damaged while killing more of the public...

Open University does all of this digitally. Admittedly, normal uni couldn’t not be expected to achieve that over the summer but they could go some way to replicating it and postpone some aspects of learning. The courses that really require regular interaction could be on site while and be...

The frustrating thing about this is uni education is by far the easiest to move online. Fewer contact hours, motivated students, more resources. Decision to send them back feels largely based on keeping accommodation providers happy.

Some info here on how different activities affect the R rate, may be of interest.

I just can’t believe being willing to pay high street prices for a reasonable facsimile of Asian food makes me a nonce. Need to rethink my life choices.

Yeah, renowned “nonce” territory chain restaurant Wagamama’s... Real men go to ‘spoons I guess.

A fair point when talking about the general public. I was thinking more about the commentators pushing the idea of lockdown being economically damaging and the herd immunity strategy who tend to be shills for libertarian think tanks. More of an issue in America though, in fairness.

You get the sense either he goes or Johnson looks worse and worse and gets replaced.

The public support stricter measures according to latest polling. It’s a loud, well funded minority talking about fewer restrictions and shielding the elderly only. The other issue is you can’t have a balancing act between these two completely different strategies. Trying to do so is partly...

Have to hope that losing players like Watkins and replacing them with Toney has weakened them a bit.

Just a few months ago Bojo was saying things would be nearly normal by Christmas. It can’t be that the saviour of Brexit is actually a fucking idiot? Can it..?

Most people called that out as political bulls shit due to a lack of PPE at the time. The scientists never said masks don’t work, they said they were of limited effectiveness. It was the conspiracy nuts and Trump who said they don’t work.

It’s quite incredible how we can’t lockdown to save lives because we need to save the economy yet a no deal brexit that will certainly damage the economy and could cost lives is worth it. I think that’s called double think. We have learnt nothing from the first wave or the actions of other...

What did the CMO say?

The public has been so propagandised to hate each other that the “other” is always to blame and the party can do no wrong.

It’s getting harder to believe they are actually this shit. Is it intentional? I don’t get it.

Is this the longest this thread has gone on without Grendel making an appearance to point out a mistake labour made over 10 years ago?

That’s true but part of the reason they are putting their foot down is because there isn’t enough support available for the businesses closing.

Exactly. They always use rate of change as a get out if a journalist asks why one area has certain restrictions but as pointed out it clearly isn’t.