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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    Do you want to discuss boring politics?

    When the NHS was founded, prescriptions were free of charge and this was scrapped in 1952. They tried a abolish said charges in 1965 and reintroduced in 1968. The reason because people were overusing the system and it put pressure on the system. Hence, we have means tested free prescriptions.
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

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    I don’t disagree with the principle at all but as mentioned with the late fees, it can drive this up and the costs of chasing unpaid late fees could be costly. In other systems, you pay to see a doctor in advance of the appointment, it varies country to country but using France as an example...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

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    What a ridiculous thing to say. Universality is a feature of most European healthcare systems and indeed the Australian system. Again, we use private hospitals in the NHS as things stand so it’s not incompatible with our model. If the NHS dies because well meaning people thwart any rational...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

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    At the current trajectory, the NHS will have introducecharges for GP visits and hospital stays, we already have to pay for prescription fees. In both France and Australia, the health insurance is socialised and it funded similarly to how our own national insurance works - direct from pay...
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    You’ve not been reading this thread have you? France and Australia, two examples highlighted operate on the same principles as the NHS. Their funding model is different.
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Firstly, the cost of maintaining a hospital/school is day-to-day spending so yes, PFI was brought in manage this and outsource the spending from government spending. With SHI models, everyone gets cover so people ‘losing healthcare’ is a boogeyman comment. The big problem Shmeee is that...
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    Aren’t perfect, yet beat NHS on most metrics because their funding models funnels money more directly into patient care. There’s an acceptance from Shmmeee and Fernando that the health outcomes are worse because of obesity and/or poverty.
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Don’t get me wrong, insurance based systems aren’t perfect but we’re already in a two-tier system. If you can afford PHI, you get to skip the waiting lists. It’s wrong and people and the workers in the NHS deserve better. Exactly, and if a nation chooses to fund its healthcare via taxation, as...
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

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    There’s a few conclusions to draw, namely that the French system is better able to allocate funds because the budget isn’t centralised. The idea of ring fencing certain taxes seems like tinkering around the edges - ‘sin taxes’ doesn’t drive that much tax revenue. It’s worth noting that their...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

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    You should, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

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    The service we’re getting is one of the worst in developed world - with only the US faring worst. You’re making the mistake of equating SHI systems with full privatisation when it’s the same. Universal and equal access to healthcare can be achieved using insurance based models. This provides...
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    I’ve not said anywhere that the public sector never works. The statement was that the private sector is more efficient than the public sector. Which is uncontroversial and backed up by data Are you getting a better service from public services? That’s the point here because right now, our...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

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    I’ve never said anywhere the public sector can never work. You can’t just do away with it. Saying the private sector is more efficient isn’t a radical thing to say. When you measure productivity/output the private sector is ahead of the public sector. One statistic to give you an idea is that...
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    Incoming

    Most clubs, including our own, are using stats to guide our recruitment policy. Do you reckon one our scouts fancied a game of footy in Turkey whilst on their trip for a hair transplant and stumbled across Haji Wright?
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    Stag do games for the more mature gent

    Now compare that to your wife’s Hen do! They are much more civilised than us brutes! That’s like a blast, perhaps you could plan one day! 😂
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

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    I’m not the first first to be in the @shmmeee firing line this week. I’m sure he’s a decent person in the real world, well meaning. Quick to make assumptions though.
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Are you calling me far right? 😂 For god’s sake you need to learn what far right actually is. Spoiler: it’s not a term to weaponise when someone disagrees with you. The way you’re making far too many assumptions about people you don’t know or their background is a sign of ignorance. I’ve said...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Some of us grow up 😂
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

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    Exactly. Karl Marx also had some views on race that would give David Duke a run for his money. Even by the standards of the time. Unfortunately, I used to proudly own a Che Guevara T-shirt and proudly posed with it on stood next to a Karl Marx statue in Berlin years ago. We all make mistakes...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already

    Do you think Republican/Trump supporters will view things that way? They roughly make up half of the electorate.
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