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You’re missing the point still. Firstly, was that England underachieved in probably all of the tournaments. We did not make it past the quarters in any tournament. Euros can be forgiven, perhaps, but not the World Cup where the format has not changed. 1) Had we won the group in 2002, we...

Some of us can read and want to learn about different eras of football. It’s just plain ignorance to dismiss someone else’s experience of the tournament. Especially when you hold a minority view. The consensus view is that the ‘golden generation’ should’ve achieved more.

Childish insults very much befitting your status as the more ‘mature’ person. We were the higher ranked team by your own admission so the line of argument doesn’t make sense from the get go.

Compare the two teams, how many would start for England in a combined 11? I’d give you Larsson, Melburg > Mills and Ljungberg. Take the nostalgia tinted glasses off - this isn’t even worth debating. You’re wrong and bringing age into it shows it.

Has nothing to do with the conversation, if you remember it so well, why was it ok to finish 2nd to Sweden in the Group? If you remember it so well, why do you not rue the missed opportunity of a relatively easy route to the final? The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Have you looked at the route to the final had we won the group? Stop ignoring that fact. We would’ve played Senegal, Turkey and Germany to get the final. Now you’ll tell me that the Turkey and Senegal teams were in the cohort of great international teams. In 2010, we win the group we have to...

That’s such a nonsense and you know it. You make these arguments because you think it suits your narrative around Southgate. It doesn’t and really highlights just how much of a better tournament team we are under Southgate compared to others. If you remember 2002, we went 1-0 and lost to 10...

If you did a player v player comparison to this team and 2002-2010 era team, how many would start? Our defensive and midfield options aren’t as strong as people think. In international tournaments, these are the most important areas of the pitch.

What does this prove in your mind? That the team was failed multiple times? It’s like you prefer heroic failure to success.

They weren’t better than us and if a team of that calibre finished above us in the group this season you’d be (rightfully) fuming. We agree our record was poor against the top teams before Southgate. Therefore, the conclusion that if we change manager all will be well just doesn’t seem...

Why did we end up playing some of the those teams? We failed to win the group. In 2002 we came second to Sweden and 2010 2nd to the USA. Our team in 1998-2010 was genuinely great. Even compared to some of those other teams you mentioned and to have not made it past the quarters was a travesty.

What was our record against Top 10 teams pre-Southgate? We hadn’t won a KO game since 2006 before he took over. I’m sure beating Colombia and Germany in 2018 and 2020 were the highest ranked teams we’ve knocked out since Spain in 1996. Again, you compare Southgate to his predecessors and he...

It’s not great, friendlies are pretty meaningless. We’ve done well in such fixtures only to get battered when it mattered in tournaments. Beating Germany was a huge psychological win and I’d like us to meet and beat the Netherlands in the semis (providing we get past the Swiss) for another...

This is such a dumb take. Guess Denmark, Greece and Portugal should’ve packed it in in 1992, 2004 and 2016 respectively. You’ve got to set up the team to prepare for the big games against Top 10 opposition. Southgate has hedged his bets on that style, it’s mostly worked at tournaments under him...

The last two goals Foden was an offside away from an assist and a goal. He’s not playing badly imo. If we don’t change formation, I can see Gordon playing LW (Foden RW) with Saka LB. Personally, would prefer Palmer but Saka at LB is quite risky so Gordon offers more balance and Palmer as a...

In tournament football, the result is all that matters. There’s plenty of examples where teams looked average in group stages, slow in the KO stages and build into the tournament. I’m interested in what changes we’ll make in the next round. Saka will likely play LB/LWB and I’d like to see...

Football fans as a whole have a short memory. In 2010, we had a great team that failed to win an EASY group (literally The Sun’s headline after the draw) and ended up getting battered by Germany. This happened in 2002 and 2004. (Harder groups) too. Even look England’s record at tournaments...

Agreed, reading Southgate’s post-match comments I think we will see changes for the Switzerland match. It looks like he’ll consider Saka at LB moving forwards. Specifically, Trippier gets dropped for me if we continue playing 4-2-3-1. Konsa comes in for Guehi at CB I assume.

After Shaw, Trippier is probably the best option we have then. Who does this uncapped Championship LB get selected over? I don’t see the rationale, personally. If Shaw isn’t fit, the only thing I can think of is playing Saka LWB in a 3-4-3. It worked yesterday because we were desperate and...

On LB, who would you have picked? The only English LBs playing at a high level is as followed: Shaw Chilwell Gomez (covering Robertson) Mitchell 50% of those are in the squad and Chilwell has just come back from a long absence. Trippier has played LB for England before and played well, even...