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Ah, you have tied yourself up in knots there, Grendel. You didn't say the money argument wasn't logical, you said my arguments (plural) weren't logical and I made quite a few arguments and not just about money.

Me too. I was thinking about 8,000 to be honest. We have only just got out of the bottom league though. Not saying I agree with some people's logic, but I can understand why they are reluctant still. I think there would be a steep rise if we got to the Championship. So many mouthwatering ties...

Except that some people are agreeing with me. It's not worth arguing about. We should do better but it is obvious to see why we aren't. No quick fix. Give it time.

Yup. On my coach some of the fans couldn't understand the booing at the end of the game. Someone said they were booing Tim Fisher and they said 'Who's he?'

Exactly. If we struggle in League One the fans will not want to come and watch us. Too many false dawns. We start doing well in League One the attendances will rise. It takes time and can't just be fixed by one single promotion from the bottom league.

Completely logical, as I have explained below. Makes perfect sense as to why.

It takes time, Clint. It's not an instant fix. We are a league higher, but still playing Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury and Walsall, not Villa and Birmingham and Leeds and Forest and Derby. It will take time. We have been so crap I don't think just one promotion is suddenly going to get everyone...

It's obviously so much more to do with us being such abject failures for so, so long. People have found other things to do on a Saturday. One trip to Wembley and the odd game here and there is not a problem, but it's a big commitment for ST and going up every week. I'm not defending it, but...

We are only just on the up after forever in the doldrums. Nearly 20 years of abject failure. Sunderland were obviously Premier league just the season before last and Pompey have had very recent success. I do agree we should be doing better, but I think the being so crap for so long has proved...

Sorry, Evo, I just don't get that argument. Sunderland's average attendance last season was 27,600. Ours was 11,200. Big difference. Also, you have to factor in that Sunderland are red hot favourites, so a lot of their fans will be expecting a very big season from them and they have also...

Nowt!

A lot of peoope just haven't got the money, which is why the club should really push the finance option. It works out around £30ish a month and the interest isn't too bad at all. Stumping up £300 might prove really hard for a lot of people, but they could probably manage the Zebra finance...

Give that man a cigar!

Yeah, but I'm not happy with two trips to Wembley, two trophies and promotion. I'm wanting much more.

In that case we might need to look at Monica Lewinsky then.

Yeah, fair play to you. Would do the same if I had money, but I never ever seem to have any. Well done indeed.

Maybe the producers told him to Irish it up a bit for impact.

No, he won a lot of money playing pretend poker.