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Well there you go. Always annoys me. Sometimes I will pop into town first and get some snacks and drinks and everyone just seems to be carrying on as normal down there. You mention the Godiva and you would think you just spoke to them in Korean. I have bumped into loads of people who have had...

Which is what I said at the start, we should really push on the finance thing. I bet loads of people don't even know there is that option. And don't disagree with me, cos I have lost count of the amount of Coventry folk who still don't know the Godiva Festival even exists, let alone know it is...

There's only been one case of nudity and that has been male hasn't it? Season one was awash with female nudity.

Different circles then. I don't go to pubs. I love wandering round town. Like to wander in Waterstones and HMV and look at the books and latest music releases and have quite often bought stuff from HMV based on the fact they are playing something, I like it, go and ask and they tell me who it...

Not going to keep arguing. It's pointless. It's clearly not just about money, but City fans are obviously more reluctant to part with any money they do have. I know I struggle to pay for my ST and I know people who say they can't afford it. Unless you are calling these people liars of course?

I personally don't like this just shop from home idea. Think it destroys all the social aspects of going to town, meeting people, looking round stores browsing, interacting with store staff, trying clothes on, testing out headphones etc. Think I am in the minority though. My daughter loves...

Yep, another 112 at least.

That's not like Grendel to do that. Not like him to just argue for the sake of arguing either.

House of Fraser closing over 30 stores. The high street is changing and it is not all about shops anymore. A retail analyst bloke on the Big Questions on Sunday was predicting that in 10 years time there will be hardly any shops left and the high street needs to evolve and be more about...

Wasn't a weird argument. When we went down from the Premier many of us thought we would piss the Championship. I'm sure many Sunderland fans will think they can walk League One. It's not weird. As I say, there's not really an argument to be had. It's disappointing, but to be expected. Don't...

Ah, you have tied yourself up in knots there, Grendel. You didn't say the money argument wasn't logical, you said my arguments (plural) weren't logical and I made quite a few arguments and not just about money.

Me too. I was thinking about 8,000 to be honest. We have only just got out of the bottom league though. Not saying I agree with some people's logic, but I can understand why they are reluctant still. I think there would be a steep rise if we got to the Championship. So many mouthwatering ties...

Except that some people are agreeing with me. It's not worth arguing about. We should do better but it is obvious to see why we aren't. No quick fix. Give it time.

Yup. On my coach some of the fans couldn't understand the booing at the end of the game. Someone said they were booing Tim Fisher and they said 'Who's he?'

Exactly. If we struggle in League One the fans will not want to come and watch us. Too many false dawns. We start doing well in League One the attendances will rise. It takes time and can't just be fixed by one single promotion from the bottom league.

Completely logical, as I have explained below. Makes perfect sense as to why.

It takes time, Clint. It's not an instant fix. We are a league higher, but still playing Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury and Walsall, not Villa and Birmingham and Leeds and Forest and Derby. It will take time. We have been so crap I don't think just one promotion is suddenly going to get everyone...

It's obviously so much more to do with us being such abject failures for so, so long. People have found other things to do on a Saturday. One trip to Wembley and the odd game here and there is not a problem, but it's a big commitment for ST and going up every week. I'm not defending it, but...

We are only just on the up after forever in the doldrums. Nearly 20 years of abject failure. Sunderland were obviously Premier league just the season before last and Pompey have had very recent success. I do agree we should be doing better, but I think the being so crap for so long has proved...

Sorry, Evo, I just don't get that argument. Sunderland's average attendance last season was 27,600. Ours was 11,200. Big difference. Also, you have to factor in that Sunderland are red hot favourites, so a lot of their fans will be expecting a very big season from them and they have also...