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  1. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    So you’ve picked the one possible example from hundreds if not thousands of ways we helped shape the EU through ours and EU democracy while members. You’re also buying into a myth on what happened in Ireland. The actual facts are that the sitting Irish government tried and failed to use the...
  2. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    It’s article 5. The idea that we would bow out from that if a NATO country was attacked, especially the that member was the US or a European member is for the birds. You seem to have no grasp of either history or the current climate.
  3. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    Err, yes it can. An armed attack on one NATO country is an armed attack on all NATO countries, it’s what we signed up to. So for example if Ukraine crumbles and madman Putin then decides to try and take land in Poland for example, we’re at war with Russia. It’s the exact reason why Russias...
  4. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    The EU changed over the years with the consent of our elected governments through treaties that we helped to write (or in the case of the withdrawal agreement, wrote). Every government from the time we joined until 2016 were elected with a manifesto that stated closer ties to the EU, so they...
  5. skybluetony176

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    The point is that it is easier to tackle things like tax avoidance and money laundering working together as a block from a single hymn sheet. Which is what the EU plans to do. For instance a certain coffee seller would have been stopped from paying tax on profits made in the UK in another...
  6. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    Just on this. Do you know why the US left the CPTPP that we’re all supposed to celebrate joining thanks to brexit? They left because they felt they gave up too much sovereignty to join. Trading blocks are political institutions by their very nature. What’s NATO if not a political institution...
  7. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    She’s certainly been pro brexit after the vote. TBH I don’t recall what she was saying pre 2016. The point stands though. The presumption that rich people were all remainers is ridiculous and indeed the wealthiest with the most to lose should EU laws on tax avoidance come in were leavers. Maybe...
  8. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    A) The European Parliament is elected. I think you mean bureaucrats who are the people employed to do the donkey work that our elected representatives decide needs doing. B) ironically we’ve had unelected representatives in the post brexit British government. The current foreign secretary is...
  9. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    Not to mention that the threat of sending the Nepalese Gurkhas down the hill and into Stanley was enough to get the Argentinians to surrender in the Falklands war possibly saving countless lives.
  10. skybluetony176

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    The rich like Rees-Mogg, Lord Bamford, Aaron Banks, James Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe, Tyce, Mone etc etc. All brexit backers. At least 2 of which have since become non doms. Funny how they all wanted to leave once the EU wanted to do something to tackle tax avoidance and money laundering. Coincidence...
  11. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    We all lost that day, your victory was in your head. All you had to do was grow up a little bit.
  12. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    They said that about leaving, it took over 40 years, a worldwide recession and years of austerity before we got to a point where brexit became anything more than a pipe dream. We’ve been out 4 years and we’re already much further down the road than the leave voice was after 4 years of membership...
  13. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    We’ll see. It should have been a reason not to leave in the first place. Yet here we are.
  14. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    We vetoed joining the Euro along with Denmark. I told you that the other day. Ironically if we do ever rejoin we’ll join without that veto so brexits legacy could end up being the Euro replacing the pound.
  15. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    Kin’ell. Froggies and an imaginary top table.
  16. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    Quick history lesson for you. It was the right that harboured Nazi Sympathies through the British Union of Facists, the Mosley and Rothermere families to name 2. The Rothermeres still own the Daily Mail, often referred to at the time as the Daily Heil as it was a pretty unabashed mouthpiece for...
  17. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    There’s very few if any countries that aren’t joined to other nations in some way. The 2 countries that I can think of that are probably least “joined” to other nations are North Korea and Iran. It’s not exactly something to aspire too is it. Maybe it’s people like you that are the problem with...
  18. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    On the wages you have to consider that against inflation. Our inflation rate is still double the EU average and food inflation is around 9%, over double the EU average. Brexit was supposed to deliver higher wages and lower food prices. Neither are true either when compared to our own historic...
  19. skybluetony176

    Brexit Benefits

    We had elected members in the European Parliament and a veto. Most notably we vetoed (along with Denmark) ever committing to joining the Euro for example. Even then there’s the example of Sweden who didn’t use their veto to block joining the euro but did then go on to hold a national referendum...
  20. skybluetony176

    Brave?

    Sends shivers down my spine just watching it. Some of the old Fred Dibna footage of him tying ladders to chimneys including overhangs and scaling them tens if not hundreds of feet in the air do the same.
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