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Clearly you do struggle as I can't recall expressing outrage at the price of football survey.

Would be no different to now would it. Wasps own it and ACL operate the stadium and associated facilities. AEG would be ideal, they're the worlds largest operator of sports stadiums and the worlds second largest operator of live music and events.

But then you would offset those costs against what we pay in rent wouldn't you? How much are other teams paying annually on maintenance. The only one I'm aware of is Pompey having to pay out £400K when the trust took over but that's a 120 year old stadium that didn't have any maintenance done...

Just work on the basis that if his lips are moving he's talking shit.

That's my point! Factor in the difference in attendance and that margin for Scunthorpe would equate to £360K for us based on the same 30% margin.

Wouldn't you have to look at each agreement? Its not like ACL do the F&B themselves, they outsource it in the first place as I would imagine most clubs do. They key is what you get back in return and looking at the information on this thread we get a fraction of what Scunthorpe get even when...

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Which illustrates another issue with our situation. We are paying retail for the F&B in hospitality so struggle to make anything on it. In fact as we have to purchase for every game on the basis of hospitality being at capacity it wouldn't be at all surprising if we actually make a loss on this...

Margin should generally run 25-35% for stadium catering. However if you also factor in that our prices are the highest in the league (according to the BBC's price of football survey) then it is reasonable to suggest the margin should be higher. But even if it isn't you'd be looking at £360K...

So Scunthorpe generate £369,501 F&B revenues on average crowds of 3.907 and we generated £75,000 on average crowds of 12,570. If they had similar crowds to us they'd be looking at in the region of £1.2m. Am I missing something as this kind of backs up what Fisher says doesn't it? That in L1 and...

So for what you say is a comparable amount Walsall also get a training ground and all revenue streams.

Except its not like very other club. Its not a fixed fee every club pays. Our 'matchday costs' (i.e.: everything we have to pay ACL for not covered by the rent) are huge compared to other clubs and any chance they get to turn the screw they take it. One recent example is all that extra hassle...

Their season tickets range £205 - 230, ours are £299 - 345.

We aren't at risk of failure, we're way past that!

No but it does show how bad the situation is. They should have framed this much better. For a start if they were dropping standard plus or whatever it was called then those blocks should drop to standard not increase to premium. Some sort of communication explaining why the prices are the same...

Club should give you a seat in the press box!

If you have a ST in block 18 you've had a 40% increase in two seasons!

Problem is the ones who were the 'will go anyway' fans are moving into the 'don't go anymore' category.

I was fully intending to renew but I probably won't know. Its a complete pisstake. Even if you just had a short super early bird for renewal with £25 off it would be something. The same, or higher, price for what will undoubtedly be an inferior product is a joke. Every year we get the line of...