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Where have you been? This has been talked about endlessly and TF's comments on the matter regurgitated time and time again. I'm not sure have much more to say on it. For what it's worth, the quotes are below. All true? The lack of any sort of denial from ACL or CCC on this suggests it...

I could answer, but then you could also read the whole thread because I think you'll find this point had been answered (twice).

We've had that since the mid-90s.

Are we not being a bit melodramatic? Rotherham were exiled and are now enjoying their best gates in years. Brighton played in Gillingham, then returned to a limited capacity athletics stadium, but now enjoy their highest attendances in decades. You could also argue that Bristol Rovers lost...

We do realise that our away followings are, on average, higher now than they have been at any point since the first season post relegation from PL?

I don't back them, I am merely answering the specific point about CCFC not being able to afford the rent, and yet apparently having the means to finance a new stadium. I was just trying to explain why there is no contradiction on that point alone. I could point out that SISU had negotiated a...

Norwich made the jump from the 3rd tier to PL while keeping the finances in check (although still had parachute payments I think). Southampton are now profitable, although they were still in debt when they made the PL.

Completely agree - their arguments falls down on this point.

They can't. When has anybody said otherwise? Their argument has always been one of short term pain for long term gain. But yes, you can picks holes in that argument quite easily. My general point stands - CCFC (as a stand-alone entity) is loss-making and has been for years (long before SISU...

Again, you are missing the point. CCFC could not afford the rent. Do you not get that distinction? Or are you saying it is the duty of the owners of a football club to continually subsidise it and not wish for it to become self-sufficient and self-financing?

What concerts? They don't exist. Even the Millenium Stadium, despite it's location, retractable roof and higher capacity, only manages 2 or 3 gigs a year. As for Rugby finals, I'm not sure there is any viability there either. The financial losses are far higher when you factor in the rent...

The argument was surely that CCFC could not afford the rent. SISU clearly can (in the short term at least), but a football club cannot be subsidised by its owners forever - there's comes a point that it has to be self-sufficient and finance itself, and their argument (and I'm not suggesting it...

There was a bit of 'typical city' about it. Hope it's just a blip.

ACL are struggling. The place sits empty day after day. Have attended two meetings there this month and the place was like a ghost town. They have a couple of expos coming up, the snooker, but beyond that nothing of note. Not a single booking for December and January. Perhaps they have...

Yup. Was a proper buzz about the place. A more vibrant and passionate away following you'll struggle to find at any level.

I don't get that feeling. It will be interesting to see the sort of crowds we get next season if we are at the Ricoh (they are sure to be crap if we move back this season given that we have such a low ST base). You get this sort of thing anyway, even in a normal season. I know so many who...

Over-charging the club for years - a rent in excess of £1 million for partial use of a facility 25 times a year was obscene. Agreeing a deal for SISU to buy CCC's stake in ACL (a good deal for everyone) only to run away from that deal for political and ideological reasons. Forcing the...

I feel your pain.

You have a wife? You never cease to amaze.

No, but it doesn't have to be. If we end up back at the Ricoh paying rent of £150K with access to some other income streams (a distinct possibility) then SISU would have secured, by virtue of the position they have taken, annual savings to the tune of £1.15 million with increased revenues to...